Return-Path: Received: from testelectronics.mail ([207.251.14.142]) by ns1.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64832U3500L350S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 14:21:51 -0400 Received: from Design [192.168.0.1] by testelectronics.mail [192.168.0.1] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.5.rB.b2.32-R) for ; Mon, 31 Jul 100 11:26:09 -0700 Reply-To: Reply-To: lancair.list@olsusa.com From: "Ed Armstrong" To: Cc: "'Rumburg, William'" Subject: RE Using diodes for battery isolation Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 11:26:08 -0700 Message-ID: <000401bffb1c$cc202ce0$0100a8c0@Design> Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20000731045725.AAA19674@ns1.olsusa.com> Disposition-Notification-To: "Ed Armstrong" X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Mime-Version: 1.0 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Hi Jim, I think you are thinking of the diodes reverse voltage breakdown rating when you say "30V forward bias". The alternator would have to somehow go negative in order for this to happen, and that can not happen because the main battery would prevent it. The 1N5829 I recommended is rated at 20V, this should be more than enough for any condition that I can think of. If an alternator does go over voltage, and by the way, this is unfortunately a common failure mode like you said. What will happen is you will get a huge surge current through the diode trying to charge the 13.8 volt battery to 50 volts. This could destroy a normal diode and perhaps leave it shorted, or open depending on how long it burned. Quick surges tend to leave the diode shorted like you said. However, these 25 amp continuous duty diodes also have a very high surge capacity. These diodes will handle a surge of 800 amps! This is a single surge of 800 amps for a single half sine wave of 60Hz. That is roughly 800 amps for 8.3 milliseconds. You have a very big alternator if it even gets close to 50 amps, let alone 800, so this will give plenty of time for the breakers to kick off, or the crowbar to kick in and the diode will be fine. Regards, Ed Armstrong Jim Wrote: In analyzing the reliability of a diode being used for battery isolation consider the following happening: The alternator fails resulting in a temporary 50 Volts over voltage. The overvoltage causes the over voltage protector "crowbar" to trip the alternator field deactivating the alternator. Will your diode survive th is transient without shorting out? If so the backup battery will continue t o power your essential bus for the expected duration while you are getting the aircraft saftely back on the ground. If not the backup battery is powering the primary bus and the backup battery may not last as long as expected. If your isolation diode is only rated for 30V forward bias perhaps you should look for another. Unfortunately, diodes usually fail in the shorted mode which is not good when they are being used to isolate critical systems. We must consider failure mode possibilities else the system may not work as expected. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML website: http://www.olsusa.com/Users/Mkaye/maillist.html LML Builders' Bookstore: http://www.buildersbooks.com/lancair Please send your photos and drawings to marvkaye@olsusa.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>