Return-Path: Received: from wind.imbris.com ([216.18.130.7]) by ns1.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64832U3500L350S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 04:02:59 -0400 Received: from regandesigns.com (nortel131-51.imbris.com [216.18.131.51]) by wind.imbris.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA79064 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 01:08:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3979565F.53BA416B@regandesigns.com> Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 01:07:59 -0700 From: "Hamid A. Wasti" To: lancair.list@olsusa.com Subject: Re: Battery isolation and diodes References: <200007211210_MC2-AD0C-EFFE@compuserve.com> X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Reply-To: lancair.list@olsusa.com Mime-Version: 1.0 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> James Frantz wrote: > I like the idea of an essential bus that can be isolated from all the non > essentials with a mechanical switch that closes/opens a relay. Only as long as the relay is properly sized and protected! I am sure that most people know that a relay is an inductive load and needs flyback diodes for protection. Failure to add the flyback may damage the relay or the switch driving it, resulting in a situation when one is not able to energize the relay. However, most people do not consider the possibility of the relay failing in its "energized" state. Once you flip the switch and remove power, the relay is spring loaded to fall back to its "power off" state. So one would hope and expect, but that is not always the case. I have seen several instances of underspecified relays where the relay contacts welded close. This can happen when a relay with a large capacity power source on one side (a battery maybe) is connected to a capacitive load (input sides of a number of avionics devices). The surge current will be several times larger than the maximum steady state current for the load. If the relay was sized for the nominal current, the higher current may be enough to spot weld the relay contacts, leaving it in permanently connected mode. This may not happen the first time, it may take a few, a few dozen or a few hundred actuations. If the relay is underspecified, this is the most likely failure mode. This is not just a theoretical situation. I have personally examined at least a dozen relays from 3 different designs that failed in this manner. In a couple of cases, the weld was weak enough that a gentle tap on the relay was enough to get it to release, but in most cases cutting open the relay revealed that the contacts were solidly welded together. The bottom line is to be careful when specifying relays -- they can not be taken for granted. Talking about this particular failure mode, leads me to my next point. When you design a system, think about how you will test it. Most people have means of turning off the main bus and operating only on the emergency bus to make sure that it is working as expected. But do you have the means of detecting if the relay or diode isolating your emergency bus has failed shorted? If you think of these failure modes up front, you can design for them and design for testing them. Hamid >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML website: http://www.olsusa.com/Users/Mkaye/maillist.html LML Builders' Bookstore: http://www.buildersbooks.com/lancair Please send your photos and drawings to marvkaye@olsusa.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>