X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 10:53:44 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from snt0-omc3-s36.snt0.hotmail.com ([65.55.90.175] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.2) with ESMTP id 5170982 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 10:33:59 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.55.90.175; envelope-from=scottekeighan@sympatico.ca Received: from SNT129-W20 ([65.55.90.136]) by snt0-omc3-s36.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 24 Oct 2011 07:33:22 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: scottekeighan@sympatico.ca Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_e3b42e06-ed29-4535-a670-34463763b7c9_" X-Originating-IP: [174.94.37.48] From: Scott E Keighan X-Original-To: Subject: ] Re: VA to AK X-Original-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:33:21 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Oct 2011 14:33:22.0705 (UTC) FILETIME=[E1ECF810:01CC9259] --_e3b42e06-ed29-4535-a670-34463763b7c9_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Danny=2C =20 Paul did a good job in summing most of it up. Just to add a bit to Paul's. =20 1) Yes a clearance is required above 12500 vfr. You will maintain vfr but = we air traffic controllers are separating you from all other flights. It is the same as flying IFR fo= r separation but you are not IFR. Some areas of Canada will not allow VFR above 12500 due to traffic vo= lume and workload. In most cases we will assign you a hard altitude like 14=2C000 or 15=2C000 = and like mentioned give you a direct routing or airways. =20 2) Agree=2C don't worry about the radio licenses for plane or you. I live = here and do not have a plane radio license and have never been asked for either. =20 5) CANPASS=2C again nice to have but I do not have it. CANPASS (paying and= registering) will allow you to enter at airports other then airport of entry airports. Just call up CANPASS (non paying) a = minimum of 2hours prior to your arrival into an "airport of entry airport" and you are good to go. =20 7) Bringing a gun or bear spray to Canada. Avoid it if you can. Lots of = paper work. All guns are striuctly controlled in Canada. I believe that bear spray is prohibite= d along with certain types of firearms ie: assault rifles=2C hand guns etc. =20 If you are flying IFR the closing procedures are alittle different. The te= rm "cancelling IFR" will change your flight plan to a VFR flight plan so search and rescue alerting is stil= l valid. IF you say "closing my flightplan" then your IFR is closed along with everything else. (I could tell you abou= t the reason for this but that is another story or I should say crash).=20 =20 VFR flight following is always good to ask for. The controllers do not min= d it just be aware that we do not have the radar coverage that you have in the U.S. Some controllers will te= rminate the service if you are below their coverage or if they are not going to see you at all. =20 Departing VFR to pick up an IFR airborne. In Canada you need permission fr= om ATC to do this. If you depart VFR without permission we do not have to give you an IFR clearance. You ma= y have to fly to destination VFR. That is because keeping a/c on the ground or delaying departures is how we = regulate or workload. I may get 5 to 10 days a year where I need to do this to keep my sector from being ov= erloaded. You can ask permission from ATC directly or through FSS. The standard FSS freq in Canada is 126.7= among others. =20 For customs in either direction. Passport=2C aircraft registration/ownersh= ip=2C medical and pilot license is all I have ever been asked for. Enjoy your trip. It sounds like it will be a fun one. =20 Scott Keighan LIV=2C 170hrs Team Supervisor=2C North Bay Specialty=2C Toronto Area Control Centre. 29 y= ears =20 =20 =20 To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon=2C 24 Oct 2011 08:33:26 -0400 From: paul@tbm700.com Subject: [LML] Re: VA to AK Danny: 1) Get familiar with a few airspace differences. Primarily VFR in US up t= o 17=2C500 but in Canada Class B is 12=2C500 and up and requires a clearanc= e for VFR flight. I returned this past week from California in the Legacy= through Cranbrook into Calgary and received a VFR clearance to climb to "1= 4=2C000 maintain VFR" on a specific route so expect to deal with that diffe= rence if you are into 12=2C500 in Canada. You will require the IFR LOs to = deal with any of those clearances and airways and intersections. I'm not fa= miliar with the mountain pass routes so I can't help on those. It was seve= re VFR on my trip over the rocks otherwise I would not want to be stuck on = a clearance near the rocks. 2) Since 1974 I have never been asked for a radio license or certificate. = I believe your license now acts as a operator certificate anyways. You ca= n file for it on the FCC site and keep the receipt for 90 days if you want = to comply but it is a waste of time. 3) All the approach plates for Canada are now free on fltplan.com and the I= pad app includes those. The Canadian enroute charts are not free yet anywh= ere as far as I know but you can buy them cheap at any Cdn airport (very ex= pensive via Sporty's). If you have Flitestar I use that for VFR and IFR en= route charts in Canada or I buy the local charts at the store for the area = I need ($10 ea I think). If you want a routing=2C tell me and I'll send yo= u the PDF of the route pack from Flitestar. 4) Download the experimental form here and stuff it somewhere in your airpl= ane or store the PDF in iBooks on your iPad. Never asked for either but ea= sy to comply with. 5) If you have multiple Canadian entries you might want to register for CAN= PASS for a few bucks but this is optional. Otherwise=2C you just call the= m according to the procedure on the website and go through the questions on= the phone prior to crossing the border. The Canadian interview is mostly= interested in plants=2C animal products=2C guns=2C money=2C alcohol and an= ything like that. You can call them a few days in advance to set it all up= in the computer then update them on the arrival time as you depart the US. 6) eApis is now pretty easy. I can file on my Mac or iPad and it returns a= receipt within a minute. But you have to register as mentioned. 7) Depending on where you go=2C you may require a survival kit of varying c= ontent. Further north requires more stuff. It is all on the web but bear = spray and guns are not uncommon equipment further north. 8) I find the AOPA a bit behind on information about Canada so just ask if = you need specifics on any of this stuff. 9) Your weather in the west in Oct/Nov will be wet and cold with freezing l= evels to the ground. I am taking the Legacy back to Florida in November s= o just be prepared to sit out crummy weather possibly for a few days. 10) You will get a small invoice for NavCan services for the "calendar qua= rter" at your registered address when you get home. Probably $40 or so. E= ach airport may assess a landing fee. Let me know if you need anything else. Paul Miller Calgary On 2011-10-22=2C at 2:14 PM=2C Danny Miller wrote: My wife and I are considering a flight from Manassas=2C VA to Eagle River= =2C AK to Portland=2C OR and back to VA sometime in the next 6-8 weeks in our = --_e3b42e06-ed29-4535-a670-34463763b7c9_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Danny=2C
 =3B
Paul did a good job in summing most of it up.
Just to add a bit to Paul's.
 =3B
1) Yes a clearance is required above 12500 vfr. =3B You will maintain v= fr but we air traffic controllers
are separating you from all other flights. =3B It is the same as flying= IFR for separation but you are not
IFR. =3B Some areas of Canada will not allow VFR above 12500 due to tra= ffic volume and workload.
In most cases we will assign you a hard altitude like 14=2C000 or 15=2C000 = and like mentioned give you
a direct routing or airways.
 =3B
2) Agree=2C don't worry about the radio licenses for plane or you. =3B = I live here and do not have a plane
radio license and have never been asked for either.
 =3B
5) CANPASS=2C again nice to have but I do not have it. =3B CANPASS (pay= ing and registering) =3Bwill allow you to enter at airports
other then airport of entry airports. =3B Just call up CANPASS (non pay= ing) a minimum of 2hours prior to your
arrival into an "airport of entry airport" and you are good to go.
 =3B
7) =3B Bringing a gun or bear spray to Canada. =3B Avoid it if you = can. =3B Lots of paper work. =3B All guns
are striuctly controlled in Canada. =3B I believe that bear spray is pr= ohibited along with certain types
of firearms ie: assault rifles=2C hand guns etc.
 =3B
If you are flying IFR the closing procedures are alittle different. =3B= The term "cancelling IFR" will change
your flight plan to a VFR flight plan so search and rescue alerting is stil= l valid. =3BIF you say "closing my flightplan"
then your IFR is closed =3Balong with everything else. =3B (I could= tell you about the reason for this but that is another
story or I should say =3Bcrash). =3B
 =3B
VFR flight following is always good to ask for. =3B The controllers do = not mind it just be aware that we do not
have the radar coverage that you have in the U.S. =3B Some controllers = will terminate the service if you are below
their coverage or if they are not going to see you at all.
 =3B
Departing VFR to pick up an IFR airborne. =3B In Canada you need permis= sion from ATC to do this. =3B If you depart
VFR without permission we do not have to give you an IFR clearance. =3B= You may have to fly to destination VFR.
That is because keeping a/c on the ground or delaying departures is how we = regulate or workload. =3B I may get
5 to 10 days a year where I need to do this to keep my sector from being ov= erloaded. =3B You can ask permission
from ATC directly or through FSS. =3B The standard FSS freq in Canada i= s 126.7 among others.
 =3B =3B
For customs in either direction. =3B Passport=2C aircraft registration/= ownership=2C =3Bmedical and pilot license is all I have ever been asked= for.

Enjoy your trip. =3B It sounds like it will be a fun one.
 =3B
Scott Keighan
LIV=2C 170hrs
Team Supervisor=2C North Bay Specialty=2C Toronto Area Control Centre. 29 y= ears
 =3B
 =3B
 =3B
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Date: Mon=2C 24 Oct 2011 08:33:26 -0400
Fro= m: paul@tbm700.com
Subject: [LML] Re: VA to AK

Danny:

1) Get familiar with a few airspace differences.  =3B Primarily VF= R in US up to 17=2C500 but in Canada Class B is 12=2C500 and up and require= s a clearance for VFR flight.  =3B I returned this past week from Calif= ornia in the Legacy through Cranbrook into Calgary and received a VFR clear= ance to climb to "14=2C000 maintain VFR" on a specific route so expect to d= eal with that difference if you are into 12=2C500 in Canada.  =3BYou wi= ll require the IFR LOs to deal with any of those clearances and airways and= intersections. I'm not familiar with the mountain pass routes so I can't h= elp on those.  =3BIt was severe VFR on my trip over the rocks otherwise= I would not want to be stuck on a clearance near the rocks.

2) Since 1974 I have never been asked for a radio license or certifica= te.  =3BI believe your license now acts as a operator certificate anywa= ys.  =3B You can file for it on the FCC site and keep the receipt for 9= 0 days if you want to comply but it is a waste of time.

3) All the approach plates for Canada are now free on fltplan.com and the Ipad app includes t= hose.  =3BThe Canadian enroute charts are not free yet anywhere as far = as I know but you can buy them cheap at any Cdn airport (very expensive via= Sporty's).  =3BIf you have Flitestar I use that for VFR and IFR enrout= e charts in Canada or I buy the local charts at the store for the area I ne= ed ($10 ea I think).  =3BIf you want a routing=2C tell me and I'll send= you the PDF of the route pack from Flitestar.

4) Download the experimental form =3Bhere =3Band stuff it somewhere in your ai= rplane or store the PDF in iBooks on your iPad.  =3BNever asked for eit= her but easy to comply with.

5) If you have multiple Canadian entries you might want to register fo= r CANPASS for a few bucks but this is optional.  =3B Otherwise=2C you j= ust call them according to the procedure on the website and go through the = questions on the phone prior to crossing the border.  =3B The Canadian = interview is mostly interested in plants=2C animal products=2C guns=2C mone= y=2C alcohol and anything like that.  =3BYou can call them a few days i= n advance to set it all up in the computer then update them on the arrival = time as you depart the US.

6) eApis is now pretty easy.  =3BI can file on my Mac or iPad and = it returns a receipt within a minute.  =3B But you have to register as = mentioned.

7) Depending on where you go=2C you may require a survival kit of vary= ing content.  =3BFurther north requires more stuff.  =3BIt is all o= n the web but bear spray and guns are not uncommon equipment further north.=

8) I find the AOPA a bit behind on information about Canada so just as= k if you need specifics on any of this stuff.

9) Your weather in the west in Oct/Nov will be wet and cold with freez= ing levels to the ground.  =3B I am taking the Legacy back to Florida i= n November so just be prepared to sit out crummy weather possibly for a few= days.

10)  =3BYou will get a small invoice for NavCan services for the "= calendar quarter" at your registered address when you get home.  =3BPro= bably $40 or so.  =3BEach airport may assess a landing fee.

Let me know if you need anything else.

Paul Miller
Calgary


On 2011-10-22=2C at 2:14 PM=2C Danny Miller wrote:

My wife and I are considering a flight from Manassas=2C VA to Eagle Ri= ver=2C AK
to Portland=2C OR and back to VA sometime in the next 6-8 week= s in our

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