X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 07:49:54 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nm9.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.91.79] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.1) with SMTP id 5138377 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 20:49:09 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.91.79; envelope-from=chris_zavatson@yahoo.com Received: from [98.139.91.63] by nm9.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2011 00:48:35 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.33] by tm3.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2011 00:48:35 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1033.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2011 00:48:35 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 14928.94761.bm@omp1033.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 94729 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Sep 2011 00:48:34 -0000 DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QiNjVX89ta1tKb83ItIxIrrApV32givKyQle0oPKYJg2XDVhm5ohdaeWYjcAY+BOKCSHTvODJ+Pzh2noEZeUpZEIm8EJbp40hIiWarxa7emLuV+qNoTZ63jANevpyxVBt6kB3+2H6DlybGl30Lvjw7UX4P10mNsgCqy/xu3lb4I=; X-YMail-OSG: OV2IdzgVM1nJrqB6UUsGwP7PgdYW5G.YSwXWSQg_pD.JjO4 LdIDcXSQnMalBOt.aslF3dOATgSfR167M2A233myYqFBXYqcPvIVPoHsInf0 yePVe20_1XJAqiwdNwa5MDLuAJmW4h9CtnurroEoedUj3xffuKh1PnacIMhS fA8wEGtxRAd0NHuidoXa3ak6qolSXZO7x3UZzCa8ZChKbzXzlFRSMAQIFlsQ Sqtzp4YvosPx6BWLAQ86OYMZGjxcpG_ztzjGeb_Ht.FN8KSF_A8qlZB82y3W K_xv9C8x96Ig4U0w9f_w.kGhbQUXHBlZGt3mHxb7qpuyY9oHlr5JEW8_.xPF 5uNDzR0xt8zh0XyzcG5GaJ_rib5.YjnXWDOjgDi4rGqLHash6VZUEDJn5UV_ 4Da_jQVy2DJ8thZ6FEPnhDxxUEHsNhepa.mqb5GYG6QvxjJFDVsoL4shGC1C aUDSrckhsOhOntY_A_tm4NymjXMDpRQrsD1wyR6YN2EBRgGFoYnt7ctcASTM cDZaKTw-- Received: from [12.130.164.194] by web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 17:48:34 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.114.317681 References: X-Original-Message-ID: <1317170914.84312.YahooMailNeo@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Original-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 17:48:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Zavatson Reply-To: Chris Zavatson Subject: Re: [LML] Painting guidance X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-2114655128-1819256324-1317170914=:84312" ---2114655128-1819256324-1317170914=:84312 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jim, et al,=0ASome primers and paints cannot be sanded prior to top coating= .=C2=A0 I used a non-sanding primer, for example.=C2=A0 It was only used fo= r adhesion and is very thin.=C2=A0 It rolls up like roller bearings if you = try to sand it.=C2=A0 Also, pearlescent color coats can't be sanded prior t= o clear coating.=C2=A0 Doing so ruins the pearlescent look.=0AI would sugge= st reading all instructions and trying out any new technique prior to paint= ing the actual airplane parts.=0AChris=0A=C2=A0=0AChris Zavatson=0AN91CZ=0A= 360std=0Awww.N91CZ.net=0A=0A=0AFrom: Jim Nordin = =0ATo: lml@lancaironline.net=0ASent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 12:12 PM= =0ASubject: [LML] Painting guidance=0A=0A=0AI made a rotisserie for the win= gs (sent a picture to the LML). The wings were painted in one fell swoop. A= fter the primer there was the UV protector, then white, white, white, pearl= , pearl, pearl, clear, clear. The white through the clear was made in one s= itting with the rotisserie. You can do the same for the fuselage if you wan= t only one color. Otherwise, there=E2=80=99ll be several sessions of painti= ng.=0AHung all parts horizontal. The edges will buildup paint to make a lip= and there=E2=80=99s not much you can do about it. I think it=E2=80=99s a p= hysics problem. Nevertheless, you can remove that lip of paint from the edg= es if it=E2=80=99s done carefully. Make sure the edges are sanded flush of = primer. Then when you add paint, the only lip will be paint. You can sand t= hat =E2=80=9Cflush=E2=80=9D like the primer. Then clear then sand flush. Bu= t every layer has to be sanded flush at the edges before the next change la= yer is made. Make sense? I did not do this process and suffer from the litt= le lip in fear of sanding off the clear, pearl, white down to the primer.= =0AJim=0A=C2=A0=0AFrom:Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] = On Behalf Of Chris Zavatson=0ASent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:41 AM=0AT= o: lml@lancaironline.net=0ASubject: [LML] Re: Painting guidance=0A=C2=A0=0A= Angier,I hung=C2=A0or supported=C2=A0every=C2=A0part such that I could pain= t all of=C2=A0its surfaces at one time.=C2=A0 Vertical surfaces are certain= ly more difficult in that you can't afford to go too heavy in any one coat.= =C2=A0Once it runs, it is all over. =C2=A0Spray all your test panels vertic= ally for practice.=C2=A0 The build up along the edges=C2=A0sounds like the = material is going on too heavy.=C2=A0 Reworking edges and corners after the= fact is very risky.=C2=A0 It is very easy to break through all the way dow= n to primer.=C2=A0 It is best to practice putting the paint down the way yo= u=C2=A0want it and avoid post-painting fixes.good luck,Chris=C2=A0 =0AChris= ZavatsonN91CZ360stdwww.N91CZ.net=0A=C2=A0=0AFrom:"Greenbacks, UnLtd." =0ATo: lml@lancaironline.net=0ASent: Tuesday, September 27, 2= 011 6:12 AM=0ASubject: [LML] Re: Painting guidance=0AI could use a few tips= from those of you with painting experience.=0ADo you get a better result w= hen spraying control surfaces by laying them flat or by hanging them vertic= ally?=0AI tried spraying a couple of test panels and in my case, flat seems= to be best. But I'm getting a slight build up of material (several mils) a= long edges.=0AIs this typical and do you just clean up edges and polish whe= n the part is done?=0AThanks,=0AAngier Ames=0AN4ZQ=0A=0A=0A--=0AFor archive= s and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html ---2114655128-1819256324-1317170914=:84312 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jim, et al,
Some primers and pai= nts cannot be sanded prior to top coating.  I used a non-sanding prime= r, for example.  It was only used for adhesion and is very thin. = It rolls up like roller bearings if you try to sand it.  Also, pearlescent color= coats can't be sanded prior to clear coating.  Doing so ruins the pearlescent look.
I would suggest read= ing all instructions and trying out any new technique prior to painting the= actual airplane parts.
Chris
 
Chris Zavatson
N91CZ
360std


From:= Jim Nordin <panelmaker@earthlink.net>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 12:12= PM
Subject: [LML] Paint= ing guidance

I made a rotisse= rie for the wings (sent a picture to the LML). The wings were painted in on= e fell swoop. After the primer there was the UV protector, then white, whit= e, white, pearl, pearl, pearl, clear, clear. The white through the clear wa= s made in one sitting with the rotisserie. You can do the same for the fuse= lage if you want only one color. Otherwise, there=E2=80=99ll be several ses= sions of painting.
Hung all parts h= orizontal. The edges will buildup paint to make a lip and there=E2=80=99s n= ot much you can do about it. I think it=E2=80=99s a physics problem. Nevert= heless, you can remove that lip of paint from the edges if it=E2=80=99s don= e carefully. Make sure the edges are sanded flush of primer. Then when you = add paint, the only lip will be paint. You can sand that =E2=80=9Cflush=E2= =80=9D like the primer. Then clear then sand flush. But every layer has to = be sanded flush at the edges before the next change layer is made. Make sen= se? I did not do this process and suffer from the little lip in fear of san= ding off the clear, pearl, white down to the primer.
Jim
 
From:= Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] <= SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of Chris Zavatson
= Sent: Tuesday, September 27= , 2011 9:41 AM
To: lml@l= ancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: Painting guidance
<= SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> 
Angier,
I hung or supported every part such th= at I could paint all of its surfaces at one time.  Vertical surfa= ces are certainly more difficult in that you can't afford to go too heavy i= n any one coat. Once it runs, it is all over.  Spray all your tes= t panels vertically for practice.&n= bsp; The build up along the edges sounds like the material is going on= too heavy.  Reworking edges and corners after the fact is very risky.=   It is very easy to break through all the way down to primer.  I= t is best to practice putting the paint down the way you want it and a= void post-painting fixes.
good luck,
Chris 
Chris Zavatson
N91CZ
360std
 
From: "Greenbacks, UnLtd." <N4ZQ@VERIZON.NET>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 6:12 AMSubject: [LML] Re: Paintin= g guidance
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