X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 06:11:56 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com ([74.125.82.50] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.1) with ESMTPS id 5133194 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 22 Sep 2011 13:43:32 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=74.125.82.50; envelope-from=blackoaks@gmail.com Received: by wwe3 with SMTP id 3so1868428wwe.7 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2011 10:42:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.230.214 with SMTP id j64mr2423830weq.64.1316713374300; Thu, 22 Sep 2011 10:42:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.155.83 with HTTP; Thu, 22 Sep 2011 10:42:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: X-Goomoji-Body: true X-Original-Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 10:42:54 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: Subject: Re: [LML] Re: RE [LML] Lancair 360 throttle + mixture From: John McMahon X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary=0016363b9a7ef23e1a04ad8b38a8 --0016363b9a7ef23e1a04ad8b38a8 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016363b9a7ef23e1404ad8b38a7 --0016363b9a7ef23e1404ad8b38a7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Everyone is born right handed, but only a few of us have overcome it! My .02 - sorry[?] do not archive On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 7:16 AM, wrote: > ** > Berni, > > 1. Never have a pilot in the right seat when you become incapacitated. > > 2. I am also a left hander that has survived in a right handed world. I.E. > I am forced to tune radios with my right hand. You are better than those > right handers that always take the easy path. > > 3. People known as flight instructors of any handedness fly many hours from > the right seat and in most airplanes that means the center mounted throttle > is to their left whilst the stick in is their right. I know one fellow that > flies his Arrow from the right seat because he is more comfortable with that > configuration - instrument viewing parallax problems aside (maybe he is left > eye dominant). > > 4. Expand your horizons and fly her as she is until you get the itch to > modify further. > > Grayhawk > > > In a message dated 9/21/2011 11:10:13 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > bbreen@cableone.net writes: > > Tom brings up a very a very interesting point in his response...why do I > want to move the throttle and mixture controls to the center? In response > to his question, I have quite a few (hundreds) hours of center stick time in > Lancair 320s and 360s. In all of those hours the throttle, mixture and prop > were always in the center. I also have about 100 hours in a Lancair ES and > about 250 in a Lancair IV. I regularly (weekly) fly a Cirrus. Because of > Tom's message I am realizing that the reason I want to change is because the > center location is what I have always flown...it is what I am accustomed > to. Finally, I am left handed. I am now thinking I should try to get out > of my comfort zone and try to learn to fly the airplane with the controls > where they are. Thoughts?? > > What about if flying with another pilot in the right seat (a very common > occurrence for me) that would be uncomfortable with the inability to access > the throttle in the event I were suddenly incapacitated? Make sense? > > Sent from my iPad > Berni Breen > Bbreen@cableone.net > > On Sep 20, 2011, at 6:05 PM, Tom Thibault > wrote: > > > Before you do anything, are the left side controls levers or push-pull > knobs. The levers can cause a direction reversal by virture of whether the > cables attach above or below the pivot. If the sense of the push-pull is > reversed, then this has been accommodated in the engine compartment such > that the throttle, mixture and prop all work correctly. This will mean > extra work to put back to "conventional". > > > > Have you ever flown a stick before? If so, you know that left hand > engine controls are "conventional". As long as the stick has the flaps and > trim controls on it, then why wouldn't a right hander not prefer left hand > engine controls? > > > > Maybe room for your knees is the driver. If so, you probably need to do > it. > > > > Look at the cable ends to see if they terminate in a permanent fitting or > they are bare wire captured in a B-nut. Six feet will be enough for bare > wire, but the fitting type requires a pretty close measurement after you > determine the route and have passed some long stiff wire through to the > termination point. > > > > Good luck, and maybe I'll take the throw away parts off your hands. I > have always wanted left hand controls. > > > > Tom Thibault > > LNC2 900 Hours > > > > Berni wrote: > > > > I just bought a flying Lancair 360 on Saturday. After flying it home on > a 700 mile cross country flight I am certain that the first thing I want to > do is to move the throttle and mixture controls from their current location > on the left side of the airplane to the conventional center location. The > airplane has a Lycoming IO360. I am looking for guidance on buying the best > control cables and the length needed. > > > > I am going to start this project in the next couple of days and would > like to get ahead of the curve by acquiring parts in advance. Is it > possible for me to order throttle control and mixture control cables without > taking physical measurements? Is there a standard length? > > > > If there are gotchas that I might encounter, please let me know. > > > > > > > -- > > For archives and unsub > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html > > -- > For archives and unsub > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html > > -- John McMahon --0016363b9a7ef23e1404ad8b38a7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Everyone is born right handed, but only a few of us have overcome it!
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On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 7:16 AM, <Sky2high@aol.com> wrote:
Berni,
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1. Never have a pilot in the right seat when you become=20 incapacitated.
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2. I am also a left hander that has survived in a right handed world.= =A0=20 I.E. I am forced to tune radios with my right hand.=A0 You are better than= =20 those right handers that always take the easy path.
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3. People known as flight instructors of any handedness=A0fly many hou= rs=20 from the right seat and in most airplanes that means the center=20 mounted=A0throttle is=A0to their left whilst the stick in is their=20 right.=A0 I know one fellow that flies his Arrow from the right seat becaus= e=20 he is more comfortable with that configuration - instrument viewing paralla= x=20 problems aside (maybe he is left eye dominant).=A0
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4.=A0 Expand your horizons and fly her as she is until you get the itc= h=20 to modify further.
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Grayhawk
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In a message dated 9/21/2011 11:10:13 P.M. Central Daylight Time,=20 bbreen@cableone.ne= t writes:
Tom=20 brings up a very a very interesting point in his response...why do I want= to=20 move the throttle and mixture controls to the center?=A0 In response to h= is=20 question, I have quite a few (hundreds) hours of center stick time in Lan= cair=20 320s and 360s.=A0 In all of those hours the throttle, mixture and prop we= re=20 always in the center.=A0 I also have about 100 hours in a Lancair ES and= =20 about 250 in a Lancair IV.=A0 I regularly (weekly) fly a Cirrus.=A0=20 Because of Tom's message I am realizing that the reason I want to cha= nge is=20 because the center location is what I have always flown...it is what I am= =20 accustomed to.=A0 Finally, I am left handed.=A0 I am now thinking I=20 should try to get out of my comfort zone and try to learn to fly the airp= lane=20 with the controls where they are.=A0 Thoughts??

What about if flyi= ng=20 with another pilot in the right seat (a very common occurrence for me) th= at=20 would be uncomfortable with the inability to access the throttle in the e= vent=20 I were suddenly incapacitated?=A0 Make sense?

Sent from my=20 iPad
Berni Breen
Bbreen@cableone.net

On Sep 20, 2011, at 6:05 PM,=20 Tom Thibault <tthibaultsprint@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Before= =20 you do anything, are the left side controls levers or push-pull knobs.=A0= =20 The levers can cause a direction reversal by virture of whether the cable= s=20 attach above or below the pivot.=A0 If the sense of the push-pull is=20 reversed, then this has been accommodated in the engine compartment such = that=20 the throttle, mixture and prop all work correctly.=A0 This will mean extr= a=20 work to put back to "conventional".
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> Have you e= ver flown a=20 stick before?=A0 If so, you know that left hand engine controls are=20 "conventional".=A0 As long as the stick has the flaps and trim = controls on=20 it, then why wouldn't a right hander not prefer left hand engine=20 controls?
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> Maybe room for your knees is the driver.=A0 If= =20 so, you probably need to do it.
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> Look at the cable ends t= o see=20 if they terminate in a permanent fitting or they are bare wire captured i= n a=20 B-nut.=A0 Six feet will be enough for bare wire, but the fitting type=20 requires a pretty close measurement after you determine the route and hav= e=20 passed some long stiff wire through to the termination point.
> >=20 Good luck, and maybe I'll take the throw away parts off your hands.= =A0 I=20 have always wanted left hand controls.
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> Tom Thibault
&= gt;=20 LNC2 900 Hours
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> Berni wrote:
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> I just boug= ht a=20 flying Lancair 360 on Saturday.=A0 After flying it home on a 700 mile cro= ss=20 country flight I am certain that the first thing I want to do is to move = the=20 throttle and mixture controls from their current location on the left sid= e of=20 the airplane to the conventional center location.=A0 The airplane has a= =20 Lycoming IO360.=A0 I am looking for guidance on buying the best control= =20 cables and the length needed.
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> I am going to start this= =20 project in the next couple of days and would like to get ahead of the cur= ve by=20 acquiring parts in advance.=A0 Is it possible for me to order throttle=20 control and mixture control cables without taking physical measurements?= =A0=20 Is there a standard length?=A0
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> If there are gotchas tha= t=20 I might encounter, please let me know.

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