X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 15:07:51 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imr-da06.mx.aol.com ([205.188.169.203] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.0) with ESMTP id 5047015 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 14:32:20 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.188.169.203; envelope-from=vtailjeff@aol.com Received: from mtaout-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.67]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p69IVibA007739 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2011 14:31:44 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.149] (24-107-65-42.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com [24.107.65.42]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 5294EE0000BA; Sat, 9 Jul 2011 14:31:43 -0400 (EDT) References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPad Mail 8C148) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5--930862497 X-Original-Message-Id: <0B1C864D-5FA5-490B-981B-5CC6F44DD242@aol.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: iPad Mail (8C148) From: vtailjeff@aol.com Subject: Re: [LML] Re: another Lancair X-Original-Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 13:31:40 -0500 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:492462304:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29434e189e8f7b91 X-AOL-IP: 24.107.65.42 --Apple-Mail-5--930862497 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Scott, The summary and white paper is on the web site. lobo is now deeply involved i= n other EAA and FAA aviation safety projects.=20 Best regards, Jeff Sent from my iPad On Jul 9, 2011, at 10:34 AM, Sky2high@aol.com wrote: > Jeff, > =20 > Any analysis is of interest to all - especially those that can't make your= session at OSH. Perhaps some summary at the LOBO site? > =20 > Scott Krueger > =20 > In a message dated 7/8/2011 7:40:41 A.M. Central Daylight Time, vtailjeff@= aol.com writes: > Mark, > =20 > Yes, LOBO tracks these matters. Have you ever been to Oshkosh Airventure? T= hese accidents are discussed in detail there. Based on your comments about t= he engines you would be surprised. In many cases it was not the engine. > =20 > Jeff Edwards >=20 >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Steitle > To: lml@lancaironline.net > Sent: Thu, Jul 7, 2011 4:59 pm > Subject: [LML] Re: another Lancair >=20 > Steve,=20 >=20 > I agree, the pilot community lost another great guy. Even if he was a jer= k, we still need to solve this riddle. Is LOBO following up on each of thes= e crashes to learn what the experts determine to be the cause(s)? If not, w= e'll continue to be having these conversations until we eventually run out o= f pilots, or airplanes. >=20 > Mark=20 >=20 > On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Steve Colwell wrote= : > =20 > I would sure would like to know why all of these "certified engines" are q= uitting on takeoff. =20 > =20 > Mark S.=20 > Maybe the engine driven fuel pump is failing. We are running low boost co= ntinuously in case the engine pump fails and to address fuel pressure issues= at altitude, hot fuel, vapor lock and other problems. =20 > I understand the engine will not make full power on low boost (reduce mani= fold pressure and settle for less power?) =20 > Or, it might quit if high boost is on and the mixture is not adjusted. =20= > Since engine driven pump failure, heat and altitude all affect fuel delive= ry, it would seem using the low boost continuously could solve or make these= problems manageable. =20 > Dr. Lyle Koen did our last two physicals. He was a very likeable guy who b= uilt one of the early IV=E2=80=99s and had over 1000 hours on it. We talked= to him about joining LOBO and coming to the Branson Fly-In.=20 > Given the more knowledgeable than usual witness account, could training ha= ve changed this outcome? > Steve Legacy IO550 > =20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-5--930862497 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Scott,

The sum= mary and white paper is on the web site. lobo is now deeply involved in othe= r EAA and FAA aviation safety projects. 

Best r= egards,

Jeff

Sent from my iPad
On Jul 9, 2011, at 10:34 AM, Sky2high@a= ol.com wrote:

Jeff,
 
Any analysis is of interest to all - especially those that can't make y= our=20 session at OSH.  Perhaps some summary at the LOBO site?
 
Scott Krueger
 
In a message dated 7/8/2011 7:40:41 A.M. Central Daylight Time,=20 vtailjeff@aol.com writes:
Mark,
 
Yes, LOBO tracks these matters. Have you ever been to Oshkosh Airvent= ure?=20 These accidents are discussed in detail there. Based on your comments abou= t=20 the engines you would be surprised. In many cases it was not the engine.
 
Jeff Edwards



-----Original=20 Message-----
From: Mark Steitle <msteitle@gmail.com>
To:=20 lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Thu, Jul 7, 2011 4:59 pm
S= ubject: [LML] Re:=20 another Lancair

Steve, = =20

I agree, the pilot community lost another great guy.  Even if he= was=20 a jerk, we still need to solve this riddle.  Is LOBO following up on e= ach=20 of these crashes to learn what the experts determine to be the cause(s)?=20=  If not, we'll continue to be having these conversations until we=20 eventually run out of pilots, or airplanes.

Mark 

On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Steve Colwell <= span dir=3D"ltr"><mcmess1919@ya= hoo.com>=20 wrote:
 
I would sure would like to know why all of t= hese=20 "certified engines" are quitting on takeoff.=20  
 
Mark=20 S. 
Maybe the engine driven fuel pump is=20 failing.  We are running low boost continuously in case the engine p= ump=20 fails and to address fuel pressure issues at altitude, hot fuel, vapor l= ock=20 and other problems.  
I understand the engine will not=20 make full power on low boost (reduce manifold pressure and settle for le= ss=20 power?)   
Or, it might quit if high boost is=20 on and the mixture is not adjusted.   
Since engine driven pump failure,=20 heat and altitude all affect fuel delivery, it would seem using the low=20= boost continuously could solve or make these problems manageable.=20  
Dr. Lyle Koen did our last two=20 physicals.  He was a very likeable guy who built one of the early I= V=E2=80=99s=20 and had over 1000 hours on it.  We talked to him about joining LOBO= and=20 coming to the Branson Fly-In. 
Given the more knowledgeable than=20 usual witness account, could training have changed this=20 outcome?
Steve  Legacy=20 IO550
 

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