X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2011 11:34:42 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imr-mb02.mx.aol.com ([64.12.207.163] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.0) with ESMTP id 5045774 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 09:08:09 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.207.163; envelope-from=Sky2high@aol.com Received: from mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.75]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p68D7MQL008243 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 09:07:22 -0400 Received: from core-mta002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mta002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.234.133]) by mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 1DE75E000087 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 09:07:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Sky2high@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: <2ffdf.1098f7b1.3b485b08@aol.com> X-Original-Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 09:07:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [LML] Re: another Lancair X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_2ffdf.1098f7b1.3b485b08_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 9.6 sub 5004 X-AOL-IP: 24.15.17.119 X-Originating-IP: [24.15.17.119] x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:501892928:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294b4e1701097ac8 --part1_2ffdf.1098f7b1.3b485b08_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en Jeff, =20 Any analysis is of interest to all - especially those that can't make your = =20 session at OSH. Perhaps some summary at the LOBO site? =20 Scott Krueger =20 =20 In a message dated 7/8/2011 7:40:41 A.M. Central Daylight Time, =20 vtailjeff@aol.com writes: Mark, =20 Yes, LOBO tracks these matters. Have you ever been to Oshkosh Airventure? = =20 These accidents are discussed in detail there. Based on your comments about= =20 the engines you would be surprised. In many cases it was not the engine. =20 Jeff Edwards -----Original Message----- From: Mark Steitle To: lml@lancaironline.net Sent: Thu, Jul 7, 2011 4:59 pm Subject: [LML] Re: another Lancair Steve, =20 I agree, the pilot community lost another great guy. Even if he was a=20 jerk, we still need to solve this riddle. Is LOBO following up on each of= =20 these crashes to learn what the experts determine to be the cause(s)? If n= ot,=20 we'll continue to be having these conversations until we eventually run ou= t=20 of pilots, or airplanes. Mark=20 On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Steve Colwell <_mcmess1919@yahoo.com_=20 (mailto:mcmess1919@yahoo.com) > wrote: =20 =20 =20 I would sure would like to know why all of these "certified engines" are= =20 quitting on takeoff. =20 =20 =20 Mark S.=20 Maybe the engine driven fuel pump is failing. We are running low boost=20 continuously in case the engine pump fails and to address fuel pressure=20 issues at altitude, hot fuel, vapor lock and other problems. =20 I understand the engine will not make full power on low boost (reduce=20 manifold pressure and settle for less power?) =20 Or, it might quit if high boost is on and the mixture is not adjusted. = =20 Since engine driven pump failure, heat and altitude all affect fuel=20 delivery, it would seem using the low boost continuously could solve or ma= ke=20 these problems manageable. =20 Dr. Lyle Koen did our last two physicals. He was a very likeable guy who= =20 built one of the early IV=E2=80=99s and had over 1000 hours on it. We tal= ked to=20 him about joining LOBO and coming to the Branson Fly-In. =20 Given the more knowledgeable than usual witness account, could training=20 have changed this outcome? Steve Legacy IO550 =20 --part1_2ffdf.1098f7b1.3b485b08_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en
Jeff,
 
Any analysis is of interest to all - especially those that can't make = your=20 session at OSH.  Perhaps some summary at the LOBO site?
 
Scott Krueger
 
In a message dated 7/8/2011 7:40:41 A.M. Central Daylight Time,=20 vtailjeff@aol.com writes:
=
Mark,
 
Yes, LOBO tracks these matters. Have you ever been to Oshkosh Airven= ture?=20 These accidents are discussed in detail there. Based on your comments abo= ut=20 the engines you would be surprised. In many cases it was not the engine.<= /DIV>
 
Jeff Edwards



---= --Original=20 Message-----
From: Mark Steitle <msteitle@gmail.com>
To:=20 lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Thu, Jul 7, 2011 4:59 pm
Subject: [LML]= Re:=20 another Lancair

Steve, = =20

I agree, the pilot community lost another great guy.  Even if h= e was=20 a jerk, we still need to solve this riddle.  Is LOBO following up on= each=20 of these crashes to learn what the experts determine to be the cause(s)?= =20  If not, we'll continue to be having these conversations until we=20 eventually run out of pilots, or airplanes.

Mark 

On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Steve Colwell <mcmess1919@yahoo.com>= =20 wrote:
 
I would sure would like to know why all of th= ese=20 "certified engines" are quitting on takeoff.=20  
 
Mark=20 S. 
Maybe the engine driven fuel = pump is=20 failing.  We are running low boost continuously in case the engine= pump=20 fails and to address fuel pressure issues at altitude, hot fuel, vapor = lock=20 and other problems.  
I understand the engine will = not=20 make full power on low boost (reduce manifold pressure and settle for l= ess=20 power?)   
Or, it might quit if high boo= st is=20 on and the mixture is not adjusted.   
Since engine driven pump fail= ure,=20 heat and altitude all affect fuel delivery, it would seem using the low= =20 boost continuously could solve or make these problems manageable.=20  
Dr. Lyle Koen did our last tw= o=20 physicals.  He was a very likeable guy who built one of the early = IV=E2=80=99s=20 and had over 1000 hours on it.  We talked to him about joining LOB= O and=20 coming to the Branson Fly-In. 
Given the more knowledgeable = than=20 usual witness account, could training have changed this=20 outcome?
Steve  Legacy=20 IO550
 

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