X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2011 11:34:42 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from smtp114-mob.biz.mail.ac4.yahoo.com ([98.136.86.53] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.0) with SMTP id 5046125 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 16:32:10 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.136.86.53; envelope-from=kyrilian_av@yahoo.com Received: (qmail 46589 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2011 20:31:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:References:In-Reply-To:X-Apple-Yahoo-Original-Message-Folder:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:X-Mailer:From:X-Apple-Yahoo-Replied-Msgid:Subject:Date:To; b=ICgrEoFQL7o6vJpbsoSuDPyHjxBsROuKoKp4lZfEQwYqnN9pDA0QNXoKiMxjw+8Ob5ZxHtTpI6HYVHZiae/Im2Y+Uda1i7543FcIeKMOMHKYTZuVlDE4IC1glPLW3GSq+3sLgF/D6NTgYdZhWqDsTuYuTF/Yegv9yjC6o4nY5MI= ; Received: from [10.6.194.200] (kyrilian_av@166.137.9.184 with xymcookie) by smtp114-mob.biz.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 08 Jul 2011 13:31:28 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: mQCJX7qswBDY8ocVKU5pgYmL3O_ezrCW X-YMail-OSG: .F5bPPcVM1nTjhT8VMZxfYHM9DHBflJTVXSQdpwcdbwj6uM 6spichzLi.BbOkhzoitnHqGaVxqF5rGRQOUvEJ9ccUJlsBD1NBSuKZ_1G7bp xQeuTlnq6xptkoxeJQtjC9QrcryiYtgKWg1zn1LPyvghIhboT21RNLI417iX fYi8XrmTSA_ttO_UBs1rp8NlyhFNRinhAsK3pL6QSx3BUfoGyMtFb0n49tI4 W64D9KNXDIhoYYtukBz0KF4vlBiJNdcNng.I05QJXOSlP7xp7LUUMGk8qUnv NH.GERyrLf.yGQ2KWCZNLbVwkBNmHLxP_jT4h9B7mOjdY6Rx4wmJoKLgZk14 CPbSBDUMUnfC7gVfM.uFVVFkfSOHVQJ18bDO4rempgTohjyFAMER.S7W6N83 hzBLoty4ulW5c.zdb.7vi1Kc8CKeZDQNUaU6F.J5FVAQRLRHEJycj3Z68kLu MOMGRMQnOQ8vyQpxSZh7QNISjb2fOGwo4H0rUvOIP8I.cqH2vvnZ3GxU_ndy AgjDfFmstkcZZ3yyuG5zddCcX45rRmSQTLlfuzD0Xn8hfQMwPXRuu2xgWbKF g8kyNjwwxIkHV_RewLg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 References: In-Reply-To: X-Apple-Yahoo-Original-Message-Folder: LML + Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8B117) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--1010063549 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Original-Message-Id: <2B739AD4-77EC-4EF0-B318-9F6E85F0819E@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8B117) From: Kyrilian Dyer X-Apple-Yahoo-Replied-Msgid: 1_10273_AI/Si2IAAIXWThNCTAxafxWZBUw Subject: Re: [LML] Re: n23ph X-Original-Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 16:31:32 -0400 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List --Apple-Mail-2--1010063549 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Regarding the belts; I asked an Amsafe representative at Sun-nFun whether th= ey had a version for the Legacy. He told me they didn't and said they weren= 't appropriate for that airplane. I presume it's a function of the recline a= ngle (reduced benefit of an airbag?) and lack of space in the two-seat Lanca= irs. - Kyrilian On Jul 5, 2011, at 12:55 PM, Ronald STEVENS wrote: >=20 > I am curious as well, it seemed to me he would have a better chance just g= oing down on the belly, and in that case a combination of high-G seats (Oreg= on Aero) and Seat belt airbags (AmSafe) could helped a lot, right? (the surr= oundings don't look to bad, it would be very bumpy but =E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6.I m= ight be just too optimistic?) >=20 > -- Ronald >=20 > From: Colyn Case > Reply-To: Lancair Mailing List > Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2011 11:54:42 -0400 > To: > Subject: [LML] n23ph >=20 > Jeff, are you able to get any info on Peter's accident? Most of us at= his home base think he ran out of gas but it would be really useful to know= if the NTSB found any fuel in the tanks. >=20 > There were obviously many opportunities for him to avoid that situation bu= t aside from that I have an additional question. > If you look at the debris field, it appears that he pancaked in. e.g. sta= lled at 50-100'. Have you seen this before in accident investigations? Wha= t would make a pilot do that? >=20 >=20 > On Jul 3, 2011, at 11:46 AM, vtailjeff@aol.com wrote: >=20 >> I think this makes seven thus far this calendar year. All 320/360 and Leg= acy's. >>=20 >> Jeff >>=20 >> Sent from my iPad >>=20 >> Begin forwarded message: >>=20 >>> From: "Mike Fisher" >>> Date: July 2, 2011 2:43:31 PM CDT >>> To: "Kim Lorentzen" , >>> Subject: NewsOK >>>=20 >>=20 >>>=20 >>> http://m.newsok.com/pilot-killed-in-oklahoma-city-plane-crash-is-identif= ied-as-san-antonio-man/article/3582065?custom_click=3Dheadlines_widget >>>=20 >>> Mike Fisher >>> mikef@lancair.com >>> 541.788.4225 >>>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-2--1010063549 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Regarding the belts; I asked an Amsafe r= epresentative at Sun-nFun whether they had a version for the Legacy.  H= e told me they didn't and said they weren't appropriate for that airplane. I= presume it's a function of the recline angle (reduced benefit of an airbag?= ) and lack of space in the two-seat Lancairs.
- Kyrilian


On Jul 5, 2011, at 12:55 PM, Ronald STEVENS <Ronald@sdc.com> wrote:


I am curious as well, it= seemed to me he would have a better chance just going down on the belly, an= d in that case a combination of high-G seats (Oregon Aero) and Seat belt air= bags (AmSafe) could helped a lot, right? (the surroundings don't look to bad= , it would be very bumpy but =E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6.I might be just too optimist= ic?)

-- Ronald

From: Colyn Case <colyncase@earthlink= .net>
Reply-To: Lanca= ir Mailing List <lml@lancaironline.net>
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2011 11:54:42 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net= >
Subject: [LML] n23ph

Jeff,   are you able= to get any info on Peter's accident?    Most of us at his home ba= se think he ran out of gas but it would be really useful to know if the NTSB= found any fuel in the tanks.

There were obviously many o= pportunities for him to avoid that situation but aside from that I have an a= dditional question.
If you look at the debris field, it appears th= at he pancaked in.  e.g. stalled at 50-100'.  Have you seen this b= efore in accident investigations?  What would make a pilot do that?


On Jul 3, 2011, at 11:46 AM, <= a href=3D"mailto:vtailjeff@aol.com">vta= iljeff@aol.com wrote:

<= blockquote type=3D"cite">
I think this makes se= ven thus far this calendar year. All 320/360 and Legacy's.

Jeff

Sent from my iPad

Begin forwarded message:=

From: "Mike Fisher" <= Mi= keF@lancair.com>
Date: July 2, 2011 2:43:31 PM CDT
<= b>To: "Kim Lorentzen" <KimL@lancair.com>, <vtailjeff@aol.com<= /a>>
Subject: NewsOK

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