X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2011 08:40:06 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail-fx0-f42.google.com ([209.85.161.42] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.0) with ESMTPS id 5045296 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 07 Jul 2011 20:08:24 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.161.42; envelope-from=msteitle@gmail.com Received: by fxe23 with SMTP id 23so1504771fxe.1 for ; Thu, 07 Jul 2011 17:07:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.78.205 with SMTP id m13mr2108300fak.49.1310083667307; Thu, 07 Jul 2011 17:07:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.74.135 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Jul 2011 17:07:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: X-Original-Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 19:07:47 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: Subject: Re: [LML] Re: another Lancair From: Mark Steitle X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3054a4c39dae4b04a7839fd3 --20cf3054a4c39dae4b04a7839fd3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bill, I agree, but I really didn't want this tragic event to turn into another rotary vs. piston dialog. Hypothetically, if these failures are due to som= e undetermined defect in the fuel system design, it could be all our problem. As for this most recent incident, the thought had entered my mind that it has been very hot here in Texas (July set a new record for high temps), so could this have been a vapor lock incident? Who knows? Would an investigation be able to determine an engine stoppage due to vapor lock after an accident? I hope he had a datalogger on board. We'll just have t= o wait for the final report. But what about all of the other previous fatal crashes? Has anyone cataloged those looking for a common cause? If someone has, I would sure like to see the data. Mark On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Bill Bradburry wr= ote: > ** > > Mark,**** > > This would not be happening if they would replace those outdated technolo= gy > engines with a Mazda 20B! :>)**** > > ** ** > > Bill B**** > > ** ** > ------------------------------ > > *From:* **Lancair Mailing List** [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] *On Behal= f > Of *Steve Colwell > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 06, 2011 2:05 PM > *To:* lml@lancaironline.net > *Subject:* [LML] another Lancair**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *I would sure would like to know why all of these "certified engines" are > quitting on takeoff. * > > * * > > *Mark S. * > > Maybe the engine driven fuel pump is failing. We are running low boost > continuously in case the engine pump fails and to address fuel pressure > issues at altitude, hot fuel, vapor lock and other problems. **** > > I understand the engine will not make full power on low boost (reduce > manifold pressure and settle for less power?) **** > > Or, it might quit if high boost is on and the mixture is not adjusted. = * > *** > > Since engine driven pump failure, heat and altitude all affect fuel > delivery, it would seem using the low boost continuously could solve or m= ake > these problems manageable. **** > > Dr. Lyle Koen did our last two physicals. He was a very likeable guy who > built one of the early IV=92s and had over 1000 hours on it. We talked t= o him > about joining LOBO and coming to the Branson Fly-In. **** > > Given the more knowledgeable than usual witness account, could training > have changed this outcome?**** > > Steve Legacy IO550**** > > ** ** > --20cf3054a4c39dae4b04a7839fd3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bill,=A0

I agree, but I really didn't want this trag= ic event to turn into another rotary vs. piston dialog. =A0Hypothetically, = if these failures are due to some undetermined defect in the fuel system de= sign, it could be all our problem. =A0

As for this most recent incident, the thought had enter= ed my mind that it has been very hot here in Texas (July set a new record f= or high temps), so could this have been a vapor lock incident? =A0Who knows= ? =A0Would an investigation be able to determine an engine stoppage due to = vapor lock after an accident?=A0=A0I hope he had a datalogger on board. =A0= We'll just have to wait for the final report. =A0

But what about all of the other previous fatal crashes?= =A0Has anyone cataloged those looking for a common cause? =A0If someone ha= s, I would sure like to see the data.

Mark =A0
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On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Bill Bradburry <= span dir=3D"ltr"><bbradburry= @bellsouth.net> wrote:

Mark,

This would not be = happening if they would replace those outdated technology engines with a Mazda 20B!=A0 :>)

=A0<= /span>

Bill B

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From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Steve Colwell
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 20= 11 2:05 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] another Lanca= ir

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I would sure would like to know= why all of these "certified engines" are quitting on takeoff. =A0<= /u>

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= Mark S.=A0

Maybe the engine driven fuel pump is failing.=A0 We are running low boost continuously in case the engine pump fails and to address fuel pressure iss= ues at altitude, hot fuel, vapor lock and other problems. =A0

I understand the engine will not make full power on low boost (reduce manifol= d pressure and settle for less power?)=A0 =A0

Or, it might quit if high boost is on and the mixture is not adjusted.=A0 =A0

Since engine driven pump failure, heat and altitude all affect fuel delivery, it would seem using the low boost continuously could solve or make these probl= ems manageable. =A0

Dr. Lyle Koen did our last two physicals.=A0 He was a very likeable guy who built one of the early IV=92s and had over 1000 hours on it.=A0 We talked to him about joining LOBO and coming to the Branson Fly-In.=A0

Given the more knowledgeable than usual witness account, could training have chan= ged this outcome?

Steve=A0 Legacy IO550

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