X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 11:16:00 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from qmta01.westchester.pa.hmc1.comcast.net ([76.96.53.8] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c2o) with ESMTP id 4873626 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 09:35:34 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=76.96.53.8; envelope-from=ghp@trustedwealthadvisors.com Received: from omta01.westchester.pa.hmc1.comcast.net ([76.96.53.6]) by qmta01.westchester.pa.hmc1.comcast.net with comcast id 90MJ1g009082Dic012ay38; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 14:34:58 +0000 Received: from GORDON530 ([75.146.208.142]) by omta01.westchester.pa.hmc1.comcast.net with bizsmtp id 92as1g00534sktX012axvH; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 14:34:58 +0000 From: "Gordon Porter" X-Original-To: Subject: epoxy allergy X-Original-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 09:34:49 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: <006101cbceaf$d503dd30$7f0b9790$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0062_01CBCE85.EC2DD530" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcvN5YzIokXixe4PSVOL7chir+AX4wAyfvmw Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01CBCE85.EC2DD530 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Group.this was Tom's helpful response to my question on his epoxy allergy comment the other day. I hope he won't mind me sharing..I just don't think he hit "reply all". Gordon From: Tom & Beth Sullivan [mailto:toms1@chartermi.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 9:27 AM To: Gordon Porter Subject: Re: IVP Door Installation Gordon, I reacted after I had about 600 hours into the project, obviously not all wet work either. I am only allergic to the uncured epoxy. I called Jeffco, after pulling my hair out wondering how I was going to finish the project. My eyes go into a fierce itch, and I itch all over my body. I tried milk thistle, bio treatments at the chiropractor, just about everything. Jeffco says it happens to about 5% of the people exposed to the wet epoxy, and usually after some period of exposure. They said it's completely respiratory, so a charcoal full face respirator is sufficient to protect yourself (I started out after the reaction with a full Tyvec suit, taped at all openings). Your A&P is correct, the reaction is sudden and severe, unless you are knowledgeable about the early symptoms. I can work without protection for a while when I've been away from the project for a long time. The first symptoms are a bit of a crawly, itchy feeling on your skin and the eyes seem a bit itchy. I'm taking precautions now, because the longer I can go before reaching my threshold, the better. There are some times it's really impractical to wear a full respirator (working in small tight places, or for very small layups). Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: Gordon Porter To: 'Tom & Beth Sullivan' ; lml@lancaironline.net Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 6:38 AM Subject: RE: IVP Door Installation Tom, have you always been allergic to the epoxy, or did it suddenly come on during your project? The A&P down the hangar line from me keeps asking me if I have reacted to the epoxy yet. Apparently the story is that the toxicity builds up in your system, then all of a sudden it hits you. I think he was talking about the epoxy, although it may have been fiberglass in general? I am pretty religious about using nitrile gloves for epoxy work, a good 3M respirator for body work and cutting/grinding fiberglass, and mechanics gloves for almost all work in the shop. Gordon Porter ES From: Tom & Beth Sullivan [mailto:toms1@chartermi.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 2:27 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: IVP Door Installation Thanks for all the great responses and ideas. I usually have several areas of the project I am working on at any given time. I am allergic to the epoxy and have to mask up for ALL wet work. A real PITA! I have the wings and winglets in a separate room from the fuselage so I can perform final bodywork on them whenever I have to vacate the main workshop due to wet work curing. I also plan all wet work for the end of my work sessions, so having several areas to work on keeps my time productive when held up by my primary area ready for wet work. The reason I'm mentioning this, is I will periodically ask questions about other areas of the build, but I'm not just sporadically jumping around. (About to start A/C install while working on the windows and door). Thanks again for the help. Tom Sullivan ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01CBCE85.EC2DD530 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Group…this was Tom's helpful response to my = question on his epoxy allergy comment the other day.  I hope he won't mind me = sharing….I just don't think he hit "reply all".

 

Gordon

 

 

 

From:= Tom & = Beth Sullivan [mailto:toms1@chartermi.net]
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 9:27 AM
To: Gordon Porter
Subject: Re: IVP Door Installation

 

 Gordon,

 

  I = reacted after I had about 600 hours into the project, obviously not all wet work either.  I am only allergic to the uncured epoxy.  I called = Jeffco, after pulling my hair out wondering how I was going to finish the project.  My eyes go into a fierce itch, and I itch all over my body.  I tried milk thistle, bio treatments at the chiropractor, = just about everything.  Jeffco says it happens to about 5% of the people exposed to the wet epoxy, and usually after some period of = exposure.  They said it's completely respiratory, so a charcoal full face respirator is sufficient to protect yourself (I started out after = the reaction with a full Tyvec suit, taped at all openings).  Your = A&P is correct, the reaction is sudden and severe, unless you are knowledgeable = about the early symptoms.  I can work without protection for a while when = I've been away from the project for a long time.  The first symptoms are = a bit of a crawly, itchy feeling on your skin and the eyes seem a bit itchy.  I'm taking precautions now, because the longer I can go = before reaching my threshold, the better.  There are some times it's = really impractical to wear a full respirator (working in small tight places, or = for very small layups).

 

Tom

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Gordon Porter =

Sent:<= /b> Wednesday, = February 16, 2011 6:38 AM

Subject: RE: IVP = Door Installation

 

Tom, have you always been allergic to the epoxy, or did = it suddenly come on during your project?

 

The A&P down the hangar line from me keeps asking me = if I have reacted to the epoxy yet.  Apparently the story is that the = toxicity builds up in your system, then all of a sudden it hits you.  I = think he was talking about the epoxy, although it may have been fiberglass in = general?

 

I am pretty religious about using nitrile gloves for = epoxy work, a good 3M respirator for body work and cutting/grinding fiberglass, and mechanics gloves for almost all work in the = shop.

 

Gordon Porter

 

ES

 

From:= Tom & = Beth Sullivan [mailto:toms1@chartermi.net]
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 2:27 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: IVP Door Installation

 

   Thanks for all the great responses and ideas.  I usually have several = areas of the project I am working on at any given time.  I am allergic = to the epoxy and have to mask up for ALL wet work.  A real PITA!  I = have the wings and winglets in a separate room from the fuselage so I can perform = final bodywork on them whenever I have to vacate the main workshop due to wet = work curing.  I also plan all wet work for the end of my work sessions, = so having several areas to work on keeps my time productive when held up by my primary area ready for wet work.  The = reason I'm mentioning this, is I will periodically ask questions about other areas = of the build, but I'm not just sporadically jumping around.  (About to = start A/C install while working on the windows and door).

 

Thanks = again for the help.

 

Tom = Sullivan

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