X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 08:34:23 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imr-ma05.mx.aol.com ([64.12.100.31] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c2k) with ESMTP id 4862943 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 12 Feb 2011 07:04:06 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.100.31; envelope-from=MikeEasley@aol.com Received: from mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.75]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p1CC3PTj005713 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2011 07:03:25 -0500 Received: from core-mkb001a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mkb001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.98.1]) by mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 9C8C6E000086 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2011 07:03:25 -0500 (EST) From: MikeEasley@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: <3e15c.1006e56c.3a87d10d@aol.com> X-Original-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 07:03:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [LML] Re: IVP Door Installation, Window Installation X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_3e15c.1006e56c.3a87d10d_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 9.6 sub 5001 X-AOL-IP: 75.71.55.189 X-Originating-IP: [172.29.120.22] x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:469430112:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294b4d56770d3c1f --part1_3e15c.1006e56c.3a87d10d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en Rick, I don't remember removing the door after it was aligned with the =20 fuselage. We pre-drilled holes in the door frame, cleaned and scuffed up = all=20 the bonding surfaces, got it all aligned with tongue depressors, etc. Then = I=20 remember squirting flox through the holes with disposable pastry bags=20 until it oozed out the front. =20 One other comment on installing the fastbuild door. I remember Lancair=20 having a set of specially molded spacers that kept the door frame evenly = =20 spaced around the door (the frame is more flexible than the door). I reme= mber=20 trimming the fuselage opening to get the door to fit, leaving a small 1/8"= =20 to 1/4" space between the edge of the door frame and the fuselage. Lancai= r=20 had a template that made that job easy so it might take a few trial fits= =20 and trims to get that right without the template. =20 On the windows, you can install the side windows with the fuselage laying = =20 upside down on a workbench. But when we did the windshield, we measured = =20 the width of the fuselage just ahead of the door when it was installed on t= he =20 bottom half and screwed a 2x2 cut to that length across the fuselage top=20 before fitting the windshield. After applying the Hysol/flox mixture,=20 windshield, and the temporary mounting bolts, we removed the 2x2, flipped = over the=20 fuselage top and clecoed it back on the bottom to cure. The fuselage is= =20 flexible enough that is opens up a bit when you lay it on its back and=20 you'll lock it in that position if you bond the windshield on the workbenc= h..=20 The fuselage top won't fit the bottom any more! =20 Mike Easley Colorado Springs =20 =20 In a message dated 2/11/2011 10:42:18 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, =20 rtitsworth@mindspring.com writes: =20 Fastbuild ES (same fuselage) at Lancair build assist in fall 2005=E2=80=A6= =20 Door (frame & door) was bonded into the top, with the top cleco=E2=80=99ed= to the =20 bottom.=20 Used small super-glued stacked tongue depressors and small nuts/bolts in= =20 temporary holes to get/hold spacing/alignment before bonding.=20 Door needs to open/close/latch easily without any binding.=20 Then removed door, mixed/applied flox, replaced door/frame to exact same= =20 position (spacers in place + bolts)=20 Worked fine (not perfect, but what is on these pre-Evolution Lanciar kits = =E2=80=93 wink)=20 Tip if you can=E2=80=99t get the profile perfectly aligned (you probably c= an=E2=80=99t),=20 better to have the door protrude a small amount at the top and/or bottom,= =20 where it is easiest to bodywork the rest of the fuselage out to it, versus= =20 the other way around. Little area to body work in the middle near the =20 windows.=20 Rick=20 =20 =20 ____________________________________ =20 From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Tom= =20 & Beth Sullivan Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 10:38 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] IVP Door Installation =20 After a shameful hiatus on my IVPT, I'm finally back on it with some real= =20 passion. I bought the fast build door, and seems like I remember many=20 builders installing it while the fuselage top was temporarily fastened=20 (cleco'ed). I will be installing all my windows in the next week, and wou= ld like=20 to install the door after that, if it's efficient to do before bonding the= =20 top on. I looked in the archives, but I can't seem to find a search filte= r=20 that doesn't give me 3,000 emails, or narrows it down too far to about 10.= =20 If someone can give me direction here, I would greatly appreciate it. If = =20 it's best to install the door after bonding the top on, no problem. I'll = =20 leave that project until later. =20 =20 Thanks in advance. =20 =20 Tom Sullivan =20 =20 Fast build kit with slow build builder --part1_3e15c.1006e56c.3a87d10d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en
Rick, I don't remember removing the door after it was aligned with the= =20 fuselage.  We pre-drilled holes in the door frame, cleaned and scuffed= up=20 all the bonding surfaces, got it all aligned with tongue depressors, etc. T= hen I=20 remember squirting flox through the holes with disposable pastry bags until= it=20 oozed out the front.
 
One other comment on installing the fastbuild door.  I remem= ber=20 Lancair having a set of specially molded spacers that kept the door frame e= venly=20 spaced around the door (the frame is more flexible than the door).  I= =20 remember trimming the fuselage opening to get the door to fit, leaving a sm= all=20 1/8" to 1/4" space between the edge of the door frame and the fuselage.&nbs= p;=20 Lancair had a template that made that job easy so it might take a few = trial=20 fits and trims to get that right without the template.
 
On the windows, you can install the side windows with the fuselage lay= ing=20 upside down on a workbench.  But when we did the windshield, we measur= ed=20 the width of the fuselage just ahead of the door when it was installed on t= he=20 bottom half and screwed a 2x2 cut to that length across the fuselage top be= fore=20 fitting the windshield. After applying the Hysol/flox mixture, windshield, = and=20 the temporary mounting bolts, we removed the 2x2, flipped over the fuselage= top=20 and clecoed it back on the bottom to cure.  The fuselage is flexible e= nough=20 that is opens up a bit when you lay it on its back and you'll lock it in th= at=20 position if you bond the windshield on the workbench.. The fuselage top won= 't=20 fit the bottom any more!
 
Mike Easley
Colorado Springs
 
In a message dated 2/11/2011 10:42:18 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,=20 rtitsworth@mindspring.com writes:
=

Fastbuild ES (= same=20 fuselage) at Lancair build assist in fall 2005=E2=80=A6=

 

Door (frame &a= mp;=20 door) was bonded into the top, with the top cleco=E2=80=99ed to the=20 bottom.

Used small=20 super-glued stacked tongue depressors and small nuts/bolts in temporary h= oles=20 to get/hold spacing/alignment before bonding.

Door needs to= =20 open/close/latch easily without any binding.

Then removed d= oor,=20 mixed/applied flox, replaced door/frame to exact same position (spacers i= n=20 place + bolts)

Worked fine (n= ot=20 perfect, but what is on these pre-Evolution Lanciar kits =E2=80=93=20 wink)

 

Tip if you can= =E2=80=99t get=20 the profile perfectly aligned (you probably can=E2=80=99t), better to hav= e the door=20 protrude a small amount at the top and/or bottom, where it is easiest to= =20 bodywork the rest of the fuselage out to it, versus the other way=20 around.  Little area to body work in the middle near the=20 windows.

 

Rick

 

From: Lancair=20 Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Tom & Beth=20 Sullivan
Sent: Friday,= =20 February 11, 2011 10:38 AM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] IVP Door=20 Installation

 

  After a sham= eful=20 hiatus on my IVPT, I'm finally back on it with some real passion.  I= =20 bought the fast build door, and seems like I remember many builders insta= lling=20 it while the fuselage top was temporarily fastened (cleco'ed).  I wi= ll be=20 installing all my windows in the next week, and would like to install the= door=20 after that, if it's efficient to do before bonding the top on.&= nbsp;=20 I looked in the archives, but I can't seem to find a search filter that= =20 doesn't give me 3,000 emails, or narrows it down too far to about 10.&nbs= p; If=20 someone can give me direction here, I would greatly appreciate it.  = If=20 it's best to install the door after bonding the top on, no problem. = I'll=20 leave that project until later.

 

Thanks in=20 advance.

 

Tom=20 Sullivan

 

Fast build kit with= slow=20 build=20 builder

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