X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 21:53:44 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.61] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.11) with ESMTP id 4655185 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 00:19:08 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.61; envelope-from=colyncase@earthlink.net DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Cyi0Z0q6nwPovfXtTl/uXhKWMxiXdb4euHpzB0f8kQNyoYckbIGaJ7rL2KLMsd3l; h=Received:From:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:To:References:Message-Id:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [216.57.118.85] (helo=[192.168.1.103]) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1PX5Td-0006N7-FB for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 00:18:33 -0500 From: Colyn Case Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-192--560183365 Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Cowling Deformation X-Original-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 00:18:32 -0500 In-Reply-To: X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: X-Original-Message-Id: <7BD150C6-8B40-4B24-BA92-C445301917B2@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) X-ELNK-Trace: 63d5d3452847f8b1d6dd28457998182d7e972de0d01da9407b58f0b1934004a15d9eaa7b443297f9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 216.57.118.85 --Apple-Mail-192--560183365 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I meant which locations on the cowl... On Dec 24, 2010, at 2:30 PM, Sky2high@aol.com wrote: > I think it is the 2400 series (small ones, spring loaded). > =20 > In a message dated 12/23/2010 1:08:58 P.M. Central Standard Time, = colyncase@earthlink.net writes: > Scott, WHICH camlocs do you think contribute to the problem? I was = planning on having hinges everywhere except the back (in front of the = windshield) where I would replace the screws with camlocs. (This is on = a IVP). The screws are problematic as they tend to make a crater in = the countersunk zone. >=20 > On Dec 23, 2010, at 10:11 AM, Chris Zavatson wrote: >=20 >> Scott, >> Interesting. Some more data points. >> The offset in the LOBO photo may not actually represent movement = under load, but a slight misalignment. See photo below of the cowl = spinner junction of the same aircraft while parked on the ground. >> Also, I have many in-flight photos of N91CZ showing no detectable = movement (second photo). Do you use camlocs? That might be the biggest = contributor to movement. =20 >> Continental bed-mount vs Lycoming dynafocal mount may also be a = factor based on another post.=20 >> The cowl scoop is certainly a weak spot near the rear. >>=20 >>=20 >> >> Aircraft in LOBO photo >> =20 >> >> N91CZ >> =20 >> =20 >> Chris Zavatson >> N91CZ >> 360std >> www.N91CZ.com >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> Rob, >> =20 >> A well built normally aspirated cowl setup with no internal engine = cooling plenum is subject to high internal upper cowl pressures = (ballooning of the upper cowl), low air pressure over the top of the = cowl and some high pressure on the underside of the cowl. This leads to = cowl distortion and lifting. >> =20 >> A perfect example is the picture of the aircraft on the LOBO home = page ( http://lancairowners.com/ ) - notice the cowling quite a bit = higher than the prop spinner. I spent some time on my own aircraft = trying to figure out how bug splatter could be on the upper 3/4" face of = the cowl right behind the spinner when everything lined up so nicely on = the ground. Read on....... =20 >> =20 >> Builders, like myself, that used Camloc fasteners (spring loaded) = find that there is a lack of rigidity - that is the cowl can move under = the forces encountered in flight. Those builders that made extensive = use of hinges or screws would find much more rigidity and less = opportunity for the cowl to lift during flight. >> =20 >> If the bottom air exit bulge is not supported as Lancair recommended = (stiff arm between the bottom and the firewall), it can certainly = deform. One way to eliminate the support and obtain stiffness is to = consider the use of some extra foam and carbon along the trailing edge. = Rather than a sharp edge that creates turbulence, drag and a virtual = reduction in the air exit size, consider a flared exterior ala some = Diamond aircraft and/or some interior build up to form a sort of nozzle = effect to accelerate the exit air. Either or both will stiffen that = part of the cowl. >> =20 >> Good Luck, >> =20 >> Scott Krueger >>=20 >>=20 >=20 > =3D --Apple-Mail-192--560183365 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii I meant which locations on the cowl...

On Dec 24, 2010, at 2:30 PM, Sky2high@aol.com wrote:

I think it is the 2400 series (small ones, spring loaded).
 
In a message dated 12/23/2010 1:08:58 P.M. Central Standard Time, colyncase@earthlink.net writes:
Scott, WHICH camlocs do you think contribute to the problem?  I was planning on having hinges everywhere except the back (in front of the windshield) where I would replace the screws with camlocs.  (This is on a IVP).   The screws are problematic as they tend to make a crater in the countersunk zone.

On Dec 23, 2010, at 10:11 AM, Chris Zavatson wrote:

Scott,
Interesting. Some more data points.
The offset in the LOBO photo may not actually represent movement under load, but a slight misalignment.  See photo below of the cowl spinner junction of the same aircraft while parked on the ground.
Also, I have many in-flight photos of N91CZ showing no detectable movement (second photo).  Do you use camlocs?  That might be the biggest contributor to movement.   
Continental bed-mount vs Lycoming dynafocal mount may also be a factor based on another post. 
The cowl scoop is certainly a weak spot near the rear.


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Aircraft in LOBO photo

 

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N91CZ

 

 

Chris Zavatson
N91CZ
360std
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Rob,
 
A well built normally aspirated cowl setup with no internal engine cooling plenum is subject to high internal upper cowl pressures (ballooning of the upper cowl), low air pressure over the top of the cowl and some high pressure on the underside of the cowl.  This leads to cowl distortion and lifting.
 
A perfect example is the picture of the aircraft on the LOBO home page ( http://lancairowners.com/ ) - notice the cowling quite a bit higher than the prop spinner.  I spent some time on my own aircraft trying to figure out how bug splatter could be on the upper 3/4" face of the cowl right behind the spinner when everything lined up so nicely on the ground.  Read on.......  
 
Builders, like myself, that used Camloc fasteners (spring loaded) find that there is a lack of rigidity - that is the cowl can move under the forces encountered in flight.  Those builders that made extensive use of hinges or screws would find much more rigidity and less opportunity for the cowl to lift during flight.
 
If the bottom air exit bulge is not supported as Lancair recommended (stiff arm between the bottom and the firewall), it can certainly deform.  One way to eliminate the support and obtain stiffness is to consider the use of some extra foam and carbon along the trailing edge.  Rather than a sharp edge that creates turbulence, drag and a virtual reduction in the air exit size, consider a flared exterior ala some Diamond aircraft and/or some interior build up to form a sort of nozzle effect to accelerate the exit air.  Either or both will stiffen that part of the cowl.
 
Good Luck,
 
Scott Krueger



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