X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 07:51:26 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imr-ma06.mx.aol.com ([64.12.78.142] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.11) with ESMTP id 4650192 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 19:05:57 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.78.142; envelope-from=Sky2high@aol.com Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id oBM05AL8007976 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 19:05:10 -0500 Received: from Sky2high@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id q.ffd.1b7b5f1 (43845) for ; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 19:05:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from magic-m21.mail.aol.com (magic-m21.mail.aol.com [172.20.22.194]) by cia-dc04.mx.aol.com (v129.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADC042-ab454d1140b125d; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 19:05:05 -0500 From: Sky2high@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: <167bb.2ce3fa3.3a429ab1@aol.com> X-Original-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 19:05:05 EST Subject: Re: [LML] Cowling Deformation X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_167bb.2ce3fa3.3a429ab1_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 9.5 sub 5400 X-AOL-IP: 24.15.17.119 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: Sky2high@aol.com --part1_167bb.2ce3fa3.3a429ab1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rob, A well built normally aspirated cowl setup with no internal engine cooling plenum is subject to high internal upper cowl pressures (ballooning of the upper cowl), low air pressure over the top of the cowl and some high pressure on the underside of the cowl. This leads to cowl distortion and lifting. A perfect example is the picture of the aircraft on the LOBO home page ( _http://lancairowners.com/_ (http://lancairowners.com/) ) - notice the cowling quite a bit higher than the prop spinner. I spent some time on my own aircraft trying to figure out how bug splatter could be on the upper 3/4" face of the cowl right behind the spinner when everything lined up so nicely on the ground. Read on....... Builders, like myself, that used Camloc fasteners (spring loaded) find that there is a lack of rigidity - that is the cowl can move under the forces encountered in flight. Those builders that made extensive use of hinges or screws would find much more rigidity and less opportunity for the cowl to lift during flight. If the bottom air exit bulge is not supported as Lancair recommended (stiff arm between the bottom and the firewall), it can certainly deform. One way to eliminate the support and obtain stiffness is to consider the use of some extra foam and carbon along the trailing edge. Rather than a sharp edge that creates turbulence, drag and a virtual reduction in the air exit size, consider a flared exterior ala some Diamond aircraft and/or some interior build up to form a sort of nozzle effect to accelerate the exit air. Either or both will stiffen that part of the cowl. Good Luck, Scott Krueger In a message dated 12/21/2010 12:25:03 P.M. Central Standard Time, rwolf99@aol.com writes: <> Wow! Lorn, you're talking about the back section of the scoop deforming upwards, I hope? I mean, you're not suggesting that the front of the cowling elevates 1.5 inches relative to the spinner? I can see how the scoop might deform near the back -- I just pushed on mine with my hand and it deformed almost an inch. But I can't seem to make it move significantly near the front. Please let us know if that's what you meant. - Rob --part1_167bb.2ce3fa3.3a429ab1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Rob,
 
A well built normally aspirated cowl setup with no internal engine co= oling=20 plenum is subject to high internal upper cowl pressures (ballooning of the= upper=20 cowl), low air pressure over the top of the cowl and some high pressure on= the=20 underside of the cowl.  This leads to cowl distortion and lifting.
 
A perfect example is the picture of the aircraft on the LOBO hom= e page=20 ( http://lancairowners.com/ = ;) -=20 notice the cowling quite a bit higher than the prop spinner.&nbs= p; I=20 spent some time on my own aircraft trying to figure out how bug splatter= could=20 be on the upper 3/4" face of the cowl right behind the spinner when= =20 everything lined up so nicely on the ground.  Read on....... &nb= sp;=20
 
Builders, like myself, that used Camloc fasteners (spring loaded= ) find=20 that there is a lack of rigidity - that is the cowl can move under the for= ces=20 encountered in flight.  Those builders that made extensive use= of=20 hinges or screws would find much more rigidity and less opportunity for th= e cowl=20 to lift during flight.
 
If the bottom air exit bulge is not supported as Lancair recomme= nded=20 (stiff arm between the bottom and the firewall), it can certainly deform.&= nbsp;=20 One way to eliminate the support and obtain stiffness is to consider the= use of=20 some extra foam and carbon along the trailing edge.  Rather than a=20 sharp edge that creates turbulence, drag and a virtual reduction in= the=20 air exit size, consider a flared exterior ala some Diamond aircr= aft=20 and/or some interior build up to form a sort of nozzle effect to accelerat= e the=20 exit air.  Either or both will stiffen that part of the cowl.
 
Good Luck,
 
Scott Krueger
 
In a message dated 12/21/2010 12:25:03 P.M. Central Standard Time,=20 rwolf99@aol.com writes:

<<When in flight, the bottom= of my=20 cowling is compressed upwards by about 1.5" to 2". Make sure you do not= have=20 anything that this compression could effect.>>
 
Wow!  Lorn, you're talking about th= e back=20 section of the scoop deforming upwards, I hope?  I mean, you're not= =20 suggesting that the front of the cowling elevates 1.5 inches relative to= the=20 spinner?
 
I can see how the scoop might deform nea= r the=20 back -- I just pushed on mine with my hand and it deformed almost an=20 inch.  But I can't seem to make it move significantly near the=20 front.
 
Please let us know if that's what you=20 meant.
 
- Rob


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