X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 20:04:31 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net ([206.46.173.1] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.11) with ESMTP id 4641368 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 17:01:51 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=206.46.173.1; envelope-from=danny.miller@verizon.net Received: from DannyLaptop ([unknown] [71.114.13.160]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0LDF00FC0UHSJUF4@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 16:01:07 -0600 (CST) From: "Danny Miller" X-Original-To: "'John Barrett'" , References: In-reply-to: Subject: RE: [LML] Performance Engines X-Original-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 17:01:02 -0500 X-Original-Message-id: <00aa01cb9bda$670e7e50$352b7af0$@miller@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AB_01CB9BB0.7E387650" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: AcubLGjXUgjPbZ9ZTj2+CLrZJpuCMAArYbbQ This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AB_01CB9BB0.7E387650 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Keep in mind John; you=92re paying through the nose for labor. I used = to own an FBO and have an A&P ticket so I can do it myself. I still have to = send out many parts for a proper inspection and certification but the labor = to remove and replace, disassemble and reassemble is VERY expensive. Good luck with the new power. =20 Danny Miller N 38=B0 43' 27" W 77=B0 30' 38" =20 From: John Barrett [mailto:jbarrett@carbinge.com]=20 Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 8:16 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: RE: [LML] Performance Engines =20 Danny, =20 I agree with your reasoning, but have a little bit of data to add. I = just finished a complete overhaul of my Lycoming IO 360 on my Beech Sierra = and it is costing ~$25K. It would have been more but the existing mags are better than what can be purchased and the fuel control servo is being = reused because it only has about 50 hours worth of use on it. It also is a lot less than a replacement engine and a lot less than a Lycoming factory rebuild. I shopped around and am pretty sure I am getting about as good = a bang for my buck as I could. =20 The cost includes remounting the engine and replacing all the hoses = etc. Lord Engine mounts alone were ~$1200. =20 It boggles my mind to recall that I purchased this airplane about 25 = years ago for $22K. Go figure. =20 Bottom line you may be surprised if you do have to rebuild the engine. = =20 Good luck, =20 John Barrett =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = Danny Miller Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 12:35 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Performance Engines =20 I=92ve heard through the grapevine (reliable FAA resources) that PE is = now under investigation by the FAA but I haven=92t been able to verify it. = Does anybody know for a fact that the previously posted indiscretions by PE = have been reported to the FAA? Feel free to ping me offline if you=92d like = to keep it confidential. I=92m looking at buying a 360 with one of their engines but with all = I=92ve read lately, I=92m reluctant to make an offer that doesn=92t account for the = strong possibility of a failed engine. Conservative wisdom and practice would indicate an offer of reduced value to tear down the current engine for inspection and possible O/H. This would likely be $10k to $15k if I do = it myself, depending on what it may need. Danny Miller Still searching for an LNC2 N 38=B0 43' 27" W 77=B0 30' 38" _____ =20 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1170 / Virus Database: 426/3291 - Release Date: 12/01/10 Internal Virus Database is out of date. ------=_NextPart_000_00AB_01CB9BB0.7E387650 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [LML] Performance Engines

Keep in mind John; you’re = paying through the nose for labor.=A0 I used to own an FBO and have an = A&P ticket so I can do it myself.=A0 I still have to send out many = parts for a proper inspection and certification but the labor to remove = and replace, disassemble and reassemble is VERY expensive.=A0 Good=A0 = luck with the new power.

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Danny = Miller

N 38=B0 43' = 27"

W 77=B0 30' = 38"

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From: John = Barrett [mailto:jbarrett@carbinge.com]
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 = 8:16 PM
To: = lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: RE: [LML] Performance = Engines

 

Danny,

 

I agree with your reasoning, but have a little bit of data to = add.  I just finished a complete overhaul of my Lycoming  IO = 360 on my Beech Sierra and it is costing ~$25K.  It would have been = more but the existing mags are better than what can be purchased and the = fuel control servo is being reused because it only has about 50 hours = worth of use on it.  It also is a lot less than a replacement = engine and a lot less than a Lycoming factory rebuild.  I shopped = around and am pretty sure I am getting about as good a bang for my buck = as I could.

 

The cost includes  remounting the engine and replacing all the = hoses etc.  Lord Engine mounts alone were = ~$1200.

 

It boggles my mind to recall that I purchased this airplane about 25 = years ago for $22K.  Go figure.

 

Bottom line you may be surprised if you do have to rebuild  the = engine. 

 

Good luck,

 

John Barrett

 

 

 

 

 

From: Lancair = Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Danny = Miller
Sent: Sunday, = December 12, 2010 12:35 PM
To: = lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Performance = Engines

 

I’ve heard through the grapevine = (reliable FAA resources) that PE is now under investigation by the FAA = but I haven’t been able to verify it.  Does anybody know for = a fact that the previously posted indiscretions by PE have been reported = to the FAA?  Feel free to ping me offline if you’d like to = keep it confidential.

I’m = looking at buying a 360 with one of their engines but with all = I’ve read lately, I’m reluctant to make an offer that = doesn’t account for the strong possibility of a failed = engine.  Conservative wisdom and practice would indicate an offer = of reduced value to tear down the current engine for inspection and = possible O/H.  This would likely be $10k to $15k if I do it myself, = depending on what it may need.

Danny = Miller

Still searching for an = LNC2

N 38=B0 43' = 27"

W 77=B0 30' = 38"

No virus found in this message.
Checked by = AVG - www.avg.com
Version: = 10.0.1170 / Virus Database: 426/3291 - Release Date: = 12/01/10
Internal Virus Database is out of = date.

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