X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 14:39:26 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nm7-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com ([98.139.52.228] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.11) with SMTP id 4632207 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 07 Dec 2010 09:01:41 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.52.228; envelope-from=mattreeves@yahoo.com Received: from [98.139.52.194] by nm7.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2010 14:01:06 -0000 Received: from [98.139.52.171] by tm7.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2010 14:01:06 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1054.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2010 14:01:06 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 83308.46279.bm@omp1054.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 93269 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Dec 2010 14:01:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=VtIRELXkXqS9mVPhAdQ+Y+0ceYnz0c6uglLe6m/8s83m44QqrS9VPhuLt3kMij7iqvSndvRIEzcwDE9AUw6acsofw26lgshdR3+pQHgyvWU9vJ5c7C69N4bEFuRkqtz8osV5it2lKJV+NQd9h1a0kfnkYDMdc/XIXH68sskzAS0=; X-Original-Message-ID: <827804.90924.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: j5AU_8AVM1mQoM_8owmBOdzIicoQtIDXjyGDjRHXQPdJn0P CMLDKVaMfyu7WbicRqaTbk1_vu1OgJ3gPl1svK2R6tDLa5es43ArIfT_wh6k P9YqNYbhK8cr8_p1nS7PSiTTVlbu1H5MdO_3FhUu3cjJGXuIHmFufvLHEbBM .OLZ6JqFocjb7qIzNfDoPWKREZm3x4RN15ZYqe.Kpe1ikkKE24plIF7onyDs x2Tx2k.JSu2memwQzMLBl8G4sAdEtwdH6sa7mJLRWhsc9kpDFvqaQ.zaaN2z lFrYY5LTZzjC3Gmx_EsPCcti9SU__rxRVJaF6ddFEp9x7repTKt_kdIUx77z S6eBAjWPDI1veLfAobT.HLbiiQDcYKQ-- Received: from [74.34.180.37] by web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 Dec 2010 06:01:05 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 X-Original-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 06:01:05 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Reeves Subject: Re: [LML] Re: lancair 360 training and retrofitting right side rudder X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-770527482-1291730465=:90924" --0-770527482-1291730465=:90924 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lancair 320 MKII I have right side adjustable rudder pedals on my right side and have never = used them.=A0 If I had to do it all over, I would eliminate them.=A0 The we= ight and all that are nice to avoid, however, for me, the counter springs o= f 2 sets of rudder pedals make my rudder pressures very hard.=A0 I have not= removed the counter springs on the right side pedals which could help, but= my advice is to forget them.=A0 Not worth the trouble.=A0 I never use the = rudder pedals in the air anyway, only for cross-wind landings and steering = on the runway.=A0 Yes, I lubed the cables with a dry cable lube but still m= y required rudder pedal pressure is higher than I like. I flew a Cessna 182 for my BFR and about put the rudder through the floor i= t was so easy to push.=A0 LOVED it. Best of luck. --- On Tue, 12/7/10, Robert Mitchell wrote: From: Robert Mitchell Subject: [LML] Re: lancair 360 training and retrofitting right side rudder To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tuesday, December 7, 2010, 5:40 AM Adding rudder pedals to the rt side is easy. =A0Run a 2nd set of full lengt= h cables from the rudder post inPE tubing just like the left side. =A0The h= ardest part will be adding hard point for the rudder pedals. =A0I believe r= udder pedal kits are still available at Aircraft Components.Bob Mitchelll-3= 20 Sent from my iPad On Dec 1, 2010, at 6:55 PM, "Gary Edwards" wrote: =0A=0A=0ARudder pedals on the right side is=A0a good=A0item to have in the = =0Aevent the left side pilot becomes incapacitated, then the right side pas= senger =0Ahas more of an opportunity to land safely.=0A=A0=0AGary Edwards= =0ALNC2=0A=0A ----- Original Message ----- =0A From: wayne tassin =0A To= : lml@lancaironline.net =0A Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 1:16 =0A PM= =0A Subject: [LML] lancair 360 training and =0A retrofitting right side r= udder=0A =20 As a low time 172 pilot I have looked at hpat for training in =0A my 360 w= hich I hope will be finished by early summer of 2011. Geees was I =0A shocked. First, no way would I attempt to do the maiden vo= yage or fly the =0A 25hrs of restriction time with my experiance which brings me to hpat. =0A Second, the hpat rep tells me he h= as to train me in my airplane which is not =0A complete and he has to have rudder pedals on the right side which I did not =0A ins= tall. =A0 So what it looks like is I will need hpat to fly the =0A 25hrs off and ret= rofit the right side pedals which look to be all but =0A impossible and then train me.Please give me your thoughts or ideas on this =0A situat= ion. =A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =0A Tha= nks, Wayne Tassin =0A=0A=0A=0A --0-770527482-1291730465=:90924 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Lancair 320 MKII

I have right side adj= ustable rudder pedals on my right side and have never used them.  If I= had to do it all over, I would eliminate them.  The weight and all th= at are nice to avoid, however, for me, the counter springs of 2 sets of rud= der pedals make my rudder pressures very hard.  I have not removed the= counter springs on the right side pedals which could help, but my advice i= s to forget them.  Not worth the trouble.  I never use the rudder= pedals in the air anyway, only for cross-wind landings and steering on the= runway.  Yes, I lubed the cables with a dry cable lube but still my r= equired rudder pedal pressure is higher than I like.

I flew a Cessna= 182 for my BFR and about put the rudder through the floor it was so easy t= o push.  LOVED it.

Best of luck.


--- On Tue, 12/7/10, Robert Mitchell <mitchell715@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Robert Mitchell <mitchell715@gmail.= com>
Subject: [LML] Re: lancair 360 training and retrofitting right s= ide rudder
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Date: Tuesday, December 7, 2010,= 5:40 AM

Adding rudder pedals to the = rt side is easy.  Run a 2nd set of full length cables from the rudder = post inPE tubing just like the left side.  The hardest part will be ad= ding hard point for the rudder pedals.  I believe rudder pedal kits ar= e still available at Aircraft Components.
Bob Mitchell
= l-320

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 1, 2010, at 6:55 PM, "G= ary Edwards" <gary21sn@hotmail.com>= ; wrote:

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Rudder pedals on the right side is a good item to have in= the =0Aevent the left side pilot becomes incapacitated, then the right sid= e passenger =0Ahas more of an opportunity to land safely.
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Gary Edwards
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Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 1:16 =0A PM
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As a low ti= me 172 pilot I have looked at hpat for training in =0A my 360 which I hope= will be finished by early summer of 2011.
Geees was I =0A shocked. Fir= st, no way would I attempt to do the maiden voyage or fly the =0A 25hrs of= restriction time with my
experiance which brings me to hpat. =0A Secon= d, the hpat rep tells me he has to train me in my airplane which is not =0A= complete
and he has to have rudder pedals on the right side which I di= d not =0A install.
 
So what it looks like is I will need hpat = to fly the =0A 25hrs off and retrofit the right side pedals which look to = be all but =0A impossible
and then train me.Please give me your thought= s or ideas on this =0A situation.
 
    &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =       =0A Thanks, Wayne Tassin
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