X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 14:39:26 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imr-db02.mx.aol.com ([205.188.91.96] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.11) with ESMTP id 4632240 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 07 Dec 2010 09:25:33 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.188.91.96; envelope-from=vtailjeff@aol.com Received: from mtaout-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.129]) by imr-db02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id oB7EObcD012912 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2010 09:24:41 -0500 Received: from [10.32.206.154] (unknown [166.205.8.55]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 8E93FE0000E4; Tue, 7 Dec 2010 09:24:36 -0500 (EST) References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPad Mail 8C148) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--107936665 X-Original-Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: iPad Mail (8C148) From: vtailjeff@aol.com Subject: Re: [LML] Re: lancair 360 training and retrofitting right side rudder X-Original-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 06:24:28 -0800 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:475655424:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33814cfe43a427ff X-AOL-IP: 166.205.8.55 --Apple-Mail-2--107936665 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Unfortunately for us instructors to be legal we must have "functioning dual c= ontrols" Jeff Sent from my iPad On Dec 7, 2010, at 4:40 AM, Matt Hapgood wrot= e: > I think rudder pedals on the right are not that important. Putting them i= n is a pain, and they cost weight and rob leg room. Plenty of folks are fly= ing these planes without them and are very happy. >=20 > You may want to find someone with a plane with right side pedals that will= train you. That said, my "initial" instructor was perfectly willing to tra= in me (left seat) when he was on the right with no rudder pedals. And I was= a 110 hour pilot with nothing but Cherokee time. >=20 > Be smart though, and be safe. Err on the side of conservatism. >=20 > Matt >=20 > On Dec 4, 2010, at 7:59 AM, Craig Gainza wrote: >=20 >> Wayne and Bryan, >>=20 >> Wow! Every so often I see an accident waiting to happen and this certain= ly qualifies. Let me get this straight: >>=20 >> 1) You are a low time C172 pilot. >> 2) Sounds like you expect to have someone train you in your 360 without r= udder pedals on the copilot side. >> 3) Bryan had a good experience with a friend, but that says nothing abou= t you getting up to speed in your airplane. That is what matters most. >>=20 >> Wayne, please put the rudder pedals in and follow HPAT's advice. >>=20 >> Craig Gainza >>=20 >> To: lml@lancaironline.net >> Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 19:55:54 -0500 >> From: vonjet@gmail.com >> Subject: [LML] Re: lancair 360 training and retrofitting right side rudde= r >>=20 >> Wayne, >> You don't need HPAT to fly off the 25 hours. You can hire any test pilot y= ou feel is competent to do the flights in your airplane. Make sure you insur= ance company will approve him as well. I had a friend of mine do the first f= light and all the fly off in my plane. He doesn't work for HPAT and is not a= n instructor but he does have about 900 hrs in the 360 series. My insurance w= as fine with him and so was I.=20 >>=20 >> Putting in rudder pedals on the copilot side might be a lot of work after= you the fact. If your still building put them in NOW> >>=20 >> Bryan >>=20 >> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 1:16 PM, wayne tassin wrote= : >> As a low time 172 pilot I have looked at hpat for training in my 360 whic= h I hope will be finished by early summer of 2011. >> Geees was I shocked. First, no way would I attempt to do the maiden voyag= e or fly the 25hrs of restriction time with my >> experiance which brings me to hpat. Second, the hpat rep tells me he has t= o train me in my airplane which is not complete >> and he has to have rudder pedals on the right side which I did not instal= l. >> =20 >> So what it looks like is I will need hpat to fly the 25hrs off and retrof= it the right side pedals which look to be all but impossible >> and then train me.Please give me your thoughts or ideas on this situation= . >> =20 >> = Thanks, Wayne Tassin >>=20 > =3D --Apple-Mail-2--107936665 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Unfortunately for us instructors to be l= egal we must have "functioning dual controls"

Jeff<= br>
Sent from my iPad

On Dec 7, 2010, at 4:40 AM, Matt Hapg= ood <matt.hapgood@alumni.= duke.edu> wrote:

I think rudder pedals on the right are not that important.  Put= ting them in is a pain, and they cost weight and rob leg room.  Plenty o= f folks are flying these planes without them and are very happy.
<= br>
You may want to find someone with a plane with right side peda= ls that will train you.  That said, my "initial" instructor was perfect= ly willing to train me (left seat) when he was on the right with no rudder p= edals.  And I was a 110 hour pilot with nothing but Cherokee time.

Be smart though, and be safe.  Err on the side of c= onservatism.

Matt

On Dec 4, 2010, at 7:59 AM, Cr= aig Gainza <cgainza@msn.com> wrote:

Wayne and Bryan,

Wow!  Every so often I see an accident waiting t= o happen and this certainly qualifies.  Let me get this straight:
1)  You are a low time C172 pilot.
2)  Sounds like you expect= to have someone train you in your 360 without rudder pedals on the copilot s= ide.
3)  Bryan had a good experience with a friend, but that says no= thing about you getting up to speed in your airplane.  That is w= hat matters most.

Wayne, please put the rudder pedals in and follow H= PAT's advice.

Craig Gainza

To: lml@lancaironline.netDate: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 19:55:54 -0500
From: vonjet@gmail.com
Subject: [LML] Re: lancair 360 training a= nd retrofitting right side rudder

Wayne,
You don't need HPAT to f= ly off the 25 hours. You can hire any test pilot you feel is competent to do= the flights in your airplane. Make sure you insurance company will approve h= im as well.  I had a friend of mine do the first flight and all the fly= off in my plane. He doesn't work for HPAT and is not an instructor but he d= oes have about 900 hrs in the 360 series. My insurance was fine with him and= so was I. 

Putting in rudder pedals on the copilot side might be a l= ot of work after you the fact. If your still building put them in NOW>

Bryan

On Tue, No= v 30, 2010 at 1:16 PM, wayne tassin <wtassin@hotmail.com> wrote:
=
As a low time 172 pilot I have looked at hpat for training in my 360 which I= hope will be finished by early summer of 2011.
Geees was I shocked. First, no way would I attempt to do the maiden voyage o= r fly the 25hrs of restriction time with my
experiance which brings me to hpat. Second, the hpat rep tells me he has to t= rain me in my airplane which is not complete
and he has to have rudder pedals on the right side which I did not install.<= br>  
So what it looks like is I will need hpat to fly the 25hrs off and retrofit t= he right side pedals which look to be all but impossible
and then train me.Please give me your thoughts or ideas on this situation.  
            &nbs= p;            &n= bsp;            =             &nbs= p;            &n= bsp;            =             &nbs= p;         Thanks, Wayne Tassin
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