Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #56706
From: Gary Casey <casey.gary@yahoo.com>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: Upgrade your ignition and help LOBO
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 07:34:00 -0500
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
Thanks to Mark and, was it Rob, for the information - one said one electronic systems give 70% of the improvement and one 90%.  I'd have to say I'm a bit skeptical of the 90%, but at least it seams to be more than 50% and that makes me more comfortable.  The biggest advantage of any of the electronic systems (in my opinon) is that they provide a spark advance that is a function of at least manifold pressure, giving an advantage any time the manifold pressure is much lower than maybe 25 inches.  But there is very little combustion taking place in the exhaust system regardless.  The reason the exhaust temperature rises is that more of the combustion occurs after TDC and that means less of the energy is being converted to work.  The down side of advancing the spark is that since more combustion occurs at the highest cylinder pressure, more heat is transferred to the cylinder head and piston.  The higher EGT's you see are directly related to lower engine efficiency, but in all cases probably 99.9% of the combustion occurs in the cylinder.  The Lightspeed system employs a capacitive discharge system and that will improve the ability to fire a fouled plug, but it will be less likely to be able to light an exteremely lean mixture.  The P-mag uses an inductive system and that will be better at lighting lean mixtures - but not so good at keeping a fouled plug working.

And is it a bad idea to disconnect the MAP sensor hose?  Well, like I said before, the only substantial difference will be found when operating at low altitude at part throttle and then the engine will just see less spark advance - about the same as with a mag.  Since my flying is done probably 95% at full throttle the overall "hurt" from disconnecting the hose will be small(pattern altitude is 8,000).  But I like the idea of watching the exhaust temperatures rise when I do a runup with either system shut off.  It's probably better to leave it connected, though.
Gary

"Mark Ravinski" <mjrav@comcast.net>
Listers,
One electronic ignition gives about 90% of the fuel savings of having both.
The savings (and power increase) happen because more of the fuel charge is burned in the cylinder and less in the exhaust stream.  (I can't imagine it being a good idea to disconnect the MAP sensor hose.)
Try doing a mag check at any cruise power setting and watch CHT and EGT.  When one system is off, the CHT drops and the EGT rises.  This shows that more fuel is being wasted and is burning in the exhaust pipe.  When you shut down the system that is doing the most work, you will see the biggest changes.
I have used ignitions from three makers and all have had some issues.
So have the original mags of course.
 
My early Lightspeed system is pretty good but it gets lazy at high altitude cruise LOP.
New plugs and expensive wires don't help completely.  The coils check good.  Klaus last said to check the timing.....
If anyone can help me with this I'd appreciate it.

Mark Ravinski


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