Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #56692
From: Mark Ravinski <mjrav@comcast.net>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Upgrade your ignition and help LOBO
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:45:50 -0500
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
Listers,
One electronic ignition gives about 90% of the fuel savings of having both.
The savings (and power increase) happen because more of the fuel charge is burned in the cylinder and less in the exhaust stream.  (I can't imagine it being a good idea to disconnect the MAP sensor hose.)
Try doing a mag check at any cruise power setting and watch CHT and EGT.  When one system is off, the CHT drops and the EGT rises.  This shows that more fuel is being wasted and is burning in the exhaust pipe.  When you shut down the system that is doing the most work, you will see the biggest changes.
I have used ignitions from three makers and all have had some issues.
So have the original mags of course.
 
The Electroair system was sensitive to interference.  Once I had the engine falter when I used the mike button.  I rerouted some wires.
 
My early Lightspeed system is pretty good but it gets lazy at high altitude cruise LOP.
New plugs and expensive wires don't help completely.  The coils check good.  Klaus last said to check the timing.....
If anyone can help me with this I'd appreciate it.
 
My P-Mag is working well now but early on there were some issues with the sensor magnet coming unglued.  Those folks have been good to work with although they wouldn't put me on their payroll for helping out with destructive testing.
 
Mark Ravinski
360  1496 hrs
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Casey
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 1:24 PM
Subject: [LML] Re: Upgrade your ignition and help LOBO

I haven't been following this thread in detail, but I have a few questions and a comment:
I certainly agree that the ability to increase spark advance at low manifold pressures gives a substantial improvement in efficiency.  But how much improvement does a single electronic ignition give compared to a dual system?  The only answer I've been given is "about half."  That makes sense, I suppose, but is there any data out there to support that?  Most of my long flights are at about 12,000 feet, so I expect some improvement over dual mags.

Second question:  I have disconnected the MAP sensor from the intake manifold port, leaving it to read atmospheric pressure.  I can't see any real difference in operation, since almost all cruising is done at full throttle with manifold pressure about the same as atmospheric.  The advantage is noticed during the runup - the rpm drops are about the same, whereas with the MAP sensor connected the rpm drop when shutting off the mag was very small, making it a little less of an obvious test.  Are other people running electronic ignitions with the MAP sensor disconnected?  The only disadvantage I can see is if you fly a lot of the time at low altitudes and part throttle you will lose some of the advantage.

Finally the comment (with a question buried in it):  Several, including Bill (message below) mention the advantage as being fuel flow reduction.  But at full throttle cruise I can't see how fuel flow could be reduced, only power increased.  Do people fly at a fixed airspeed, throttling back or reducing rpm to save fuel?  Another advantage is that LOP operation could be smoother on account of the extra spark advance, but I've never done a back-to-back comparison to verify that.
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