X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:45:43 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.198.204] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.10) with SMTP id 4576408 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 08:26:29 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.142.198.204; envelope-from=gbfitz@swbell.net Received: (qmail 61570 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2010 13:25:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=swbell.net; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language; b=2gpuCDrWWaysxTLqOMhZNdDPnO5s96fVbRMz1SpVNdjQa4y19RtGXo479J0FHXu0H6yhQRhVs+QamBRNIPDQmi4g4rai1WnGmbNnNw2RTFj8s0cCHUafxVNZowY53CFCCWi7mSEDC1n4T4BDywwfKmjU/3plKLFLDIoOGQorRak= ; Received: from MonsterGarage (gbfitz@99.72.18.7 with login) by smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2010 05:25:52 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: YDcEmEeswBCQ9VCECdJgJSdIOsUDlolGAbHYYIoo X-YMail-OSG: DvykTvMVM1n6tMxVP8bXNGzOz1sG.v5Pz2uDtJsgj_pCCtA Uk6ffrGBX9LQGM4f.OX_3lk1HhIpOr2_ltGUNGhTogYoMD69p1sRd64DTDAV ZnTjEOVpnqO1Ev0k8ZFsMncEwpSt7767ixcrWkEHxgDpxDDN7SNYJKaC.NKE .wcfcfQ5lOr.nq2R8O9ec7PC02hvDumdgFEBVVecv3bLCSUzFCfbE7Z7eKZs x5yxTaoOoVhYsQ22pw_N1Y5G1voqk4jndcJt8.yxIpH2jaPgP9L8wjCgjejM T2SYvxTKgorjpY4GoOL3x7E.KpRdQsoVCGrQtipTU3AO3xC.EgMIM1oHsuo4 xtpGMe5rx9bDjVbPwlTX24sq5VTw8jw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Gary Fitzgerald" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: [LML] Re: LNC2 gear & canopy X-Original-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 07:25:08 -0600 X-Original-Message-ID: <000001cb826d$070511d0$150f3570$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01CB823A.BC6AA1D0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcuBzQyb0AOciyF+TDalXjyuoAg/iAAaEPHw Content-Language: en-us This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CB823A.BC6AA1D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Danny, =20 1. The outback gear retrofit kit used to run about $1700 = (substantially less if you ordered it with the kit as the outback parts = substituted for the standard parts). In addition to the obvious gear = components, it also replaces the gear doors and flap actuating = mechanism, as the larger tires would interfere with the flap mechanism = on the standard kit. The outback flaps are actuated by a torque tube = which requires a reinforced inboard rib on each flap. You=E2=80=99d = probably have to cut into each flap to add the reinforcement and the = nutplates to hold a bracket in place. Also, the flap actuator mounts in = a different place in the baggage compartment, so if the tunnel that = hides the elevator pushrod isn=E2=80=99t already wide enough to house = the flap actuator, you get to modify that also. 2. The stress points on the standard (parallelogram) and forward = hinged canopy are completely different. The standard canopy has thicker = side rails than the forward hinged canopy, but the forward-hinged canopy = has a ton of carbon fiber reinforcement at the front. You=E2=80=99d = have to rebuild at least part of the side rails to allow for the gas = struts that support the canopy when it=E2=80=99s open. The majority of = the Legacy style latch mechanism goes behind the seats, so = you=E2=80=99ll need to make sure there=E2=80=99s no interference there. = Oh yeah, there are about $500 in parts (prices from about 2001) for the = forward hinge canopy and latch mechanism. Also, the Legacy canopy has a = much improved sealing surface than the LNC2 kit. 3. Haven=E2=80=99t had to do that one. =20 Gary Fitzgerald LNC2 ~70% Engine: TBD St. Charles, MO =20 =20 =20 From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = Danny Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 12:20 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] LNC2 gear & canopy =20 Since my latest effort to buy a finished 360 fell apart at the last = minute I'm now searching again. And it was oohhh sooo close to being = mine. Oh well. I see several possibilities on the market but nothing = that fits all of my wants and needs so here are a some questions. 1. My understanding of the standard gear is that the weak link is = two-fold; weak structure and tires with a max load of only 500 lbs. In = my engineering mind, if one loads three tires to max loading of 500 lbs = each, that's a max weight of only 1,500 lbs. I know many are flying at = higher weights. Are your tires wearing out faster? Have you blown a = tire? Whats' the cost of an Outback retrofit, are the parts available = and how long would it take? 2. What's the cost & time required to retrofit a Lagacy-type forward = hinge and latch conopy on a 320/360? 3. What's the cost and time required to retrofit a short engine mount = with a long one? I think these are the main items I'm finding with those on the market = that I'd have to change. I'd appreciate any help here so I can consider = the pursuit of other 320/360 models without these elements. Danny (In search of a decent LNC2)=20 -- =20 For archives and unsub = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CB823A.BC6AA1D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Danny,

 

1.       = =C2=A0The outback gear retrofit kit used to run about $1700 = (substantially less if you ordered it with the kit as the outback parts = substituted for the standard parts). In addition to the obvious gear = components, it also replaces the gear doors and flap actuating = mechanism, as the larger tires would interfere with the flap mechanism = on the standard kit.=C2=A0 The outback flaps are actuated by a torque = tube which requires a reinforced inboard rib on each flap.=C2=A0 = You=E2=80=99d probably have to cut into each flap to add the = reinforcement and the nutplates to hold a bracket in place.=C2=A0 Also, = the flap actuator mounts in a different place in the baggage = compartment, so if the tunnel that hides the elevator pushrod = isn=E2=80=99t already wide enough to house the flap actuator, you get to = modify that also.

2.       = The stress points on the standard (parallelogram) =C2=A0and forward = hinged canopy are completely different.=C2=A0 The standard canopy has = thicker side rails than the forward hinged canopy, but the = forward-hinged canopy has a ton of carbon fiber reinforcement at the = front.=C2=A0 You=E2=80=99d have to rebuild at least part of the side = rails to allow for the gas struts that support the canopy when = it=E2=80=99s open.=C2=A0 The majority of the Legacy style latch = mechanism goes behind the seats, so you=E2=80=99ll need to make sure = there=E2=80=99s no interference there.=C2=A0 Oh yeah, there are about = $500 in parts (prices from about 2001) for the forward hinge canopy and = latch mechanism.=C2=A0 Also, the Legacy canopy has a much improved = sealing surface than the LNC2 kit.

3.       = Haven=E2=80=99t had to do that one.

 

Gary Fitzgerald

LNC2 ~70%

Engine: TBD

St. Charles, MO

 

 

 

From:= = Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = Danny
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 12:20 = PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] LNC2 = gear & canopy

 

Since my = latest effort to buy a finished 360 fell apart at the last minute I'm = now searching again.  And it was oohhh sooo close to being = mine.  Oh well.  I see several possibilities on the market but = nothing that fits all of my wants and needs so here are a some = questions.

1. My understanding of the standard gear is that the = weak link is two-fold; weak structure and tires with a max load of only = 500 lbs.  In my engineering mind, if one loads three tires to max = loading of 500 lbs each, that's a max weight of only 1,500 lbs.  I = know many are flying at higher weights.  Are your tires wearing out = faster?  Have you blown a tire?  Whats' the cost of an Outback = retrofit, are the parts available and how long would it take?

2. = What's the cost & time required to retrofit a Lagacy-type forward = hinge and latch conopy on a 320/360?

3. What's the cost and time = required to retrofit a short engine mount with a long one?

I = think these are the main items I'm finding with those on the market that = I'd have to change.  I'd appreciate any help here so I can consider = the pursuit of other 320/360 models without these = elements.

Danny
(In search of a decent LNC2) = 

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