X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 07:29:29 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from jrcda.com ([206.130.116.53] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.10) with ESMTPS id 4575514 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 14:42:46 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=206.130.116.53; envelope-from=hwasti@lm50.com Received: from [192.168.1.104] (207-170-226-183.static.twtelecom.net [207.170.226.183]) (authenticated bits=0) by jrcda.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id oABJg8j0025964 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 12:42:08 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: <4CDC4709.8070202@lm50.com> X-Original-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 11:42:01 -0800 From: Hamid Wasti User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Subject: Re: [LML] Re: iPad use in the cockpit References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The altitude and thermal specs are linked. At higher altitude, you have=20 less air molecules to take away the heat. Because of this, a device that = will heat up to a certain temperature at sea level will heat up to a=20 higher temperature at 10,000 feet and an even higher temperature at=20 15,000 feet, assuming all else is equal. Put the other way, a device=20 that will function up to a certain ambient temperature at sea level will = only operate to a lower ambient temperature at 10,000 feet and an even=20 lower ambient temperature at 15,000 feet. I do not own an iPad, so I have no personal experience. However, there=20 have been a lot of reports about the iPad getting too hot and shutting=20 down when exposed to direct sunlight. These are reports at ground level=20 and some are claiming that it takes a little as 10 minutes. A Google=20 search reveals million+ hits, including the following from cNet and=20 Applr's own discussion forum: http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-31747_7-20001749-243.html http://discussions.info.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=3D2396808&start=3D= 0&tstart=3D0 Quite predictably, this has led to a good ol lawsuit. Here's a news=20 article and the actual filing: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-07-26/apple-sued-over-claims-ipad-tabl= et-overheats-in-sunlight-warm-conditions.html http://www.docstoc.com/docs/document-preview.aspx?doc_id=3D48234124 The following link, claiming to answering on behalf of iPad users,=20 acknowledges the existence of the problem and mocks people for being=20 unreasonable for trying to use the iPad in situations where these=20 problems can reasonably be expected to occur (their opinion of what is=20 "reasonable"): http://www.theipadguide.com/content/books-have-better-heat-tolerance-ipad= /7174901 I do not know if any of these reports are true, if the problems are=20 endemic or experienced by a few outliers. What I can tell you is that=20 whatever the experience at sea level, the thermal performance will be=20 worse at 8,000 feet in a IV-P and worse still at 15,000 ft in a Legacy=20 -- that is basic physics. It is your call how much credence you want to put in these reports.=20 Whatever you decide, I would strongly urge you to thoroughly test=20 whatever hardware/software you want to use and push it to the limit in a = realistic environment before you actually put it in service. The cockpit = is no place for surprises! Regards, Hamid Chris Zavatson wrote: > Thanks for all the replies. > One more question. The apple specs show maximum operating altitude of = > 10,000 feet. If there is a good technical reason for this, it would=20 > seem rather limiting for our en-route use. The operating temperature=20 > is also kind of pushing the upper limit when on the ground on hot=20 > summer days. The temperature issue can be somewhat controlled, but=20 > the altitude exposure not so much. Is this a CYA or other generic limi= t? > > > Environmental requirements > > * Operating temperature: 32=B0 to 95=B0 F (0=B0 to 35=B0 C) > * Nonoperating temperature: -4=B0 to 113=B0 F (-20=B0 to 45=B0 C) > * Relative humidity: 5% to 95% noncondensing > * Maximum operating altitude: 10,000 feet (3000 m) > > > Chris Zavatson >