X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 20:04:26 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imr-ma05.mx.aol.com ([64.12.100.31] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.8) with ESMTP id 4371102 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 25 Jun 2010 19:13:44 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.100.31; envelope-from=Sky2high@aol.com Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o5PNCu4b009546 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2010 19:12:56 -0400 Received: from Sky2high@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id q.e8b.16d9839 (43814) for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2010 19:12:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magic-m16.mail.aol.com (magic-m16.mail.aol.com [172.21.188.208]) by cia-dc01.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADC013-ab264c2537f4163; Fri, 25 Jun 2010 19:12:52 -0400 From: Sky2high@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: <371ea.7a8b3908.395691f4@aol.com> X-Original-Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 19:12:52 EDT Subject: Re: [LML] LNC2/320 Cruise Speed X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_371ea.7a8b3908.395691f4_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 9.5 sub 155 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 67.175.87.113 X-AOL-IP: 172.21.188.208 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: Sky2high@aol.com --part1_371ea.7a8b3908.395691f4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wolfgang, =20 Interesting. =20 In real life and with my power set at a guess of zero thrust, the AOA show= s=20 a best glide of about 106 KIAS. That is 1.767 NM/minute or 10734 =20 feet/minute. =20 With my prop in cruise pitch the descent rate was about 1500 feet/min or= a =20 glide ratio of 7:1 - drat. =20 With my prop in coarse pitch, the descent rate drops to about 500 ft/min= or=20 a glide ratio of 21:1 - ooh..... =20 You are right in that drag is everything. Even small flat plate drag =20 requires power cubed for overcoming parasitic drag squared. Best glide = speed=20 is at max lift/drag where the induced drag and parasitic drag curves =20 intersect. Induced drag increasing as speed is reduced and parasitic drag= =20 increasing as speed increases. =20 =20 Scott Krueger IO 320 =20 =20 In a message dated 6/25/2010 5:30:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time, =20 Wolfgang@MiCom.net writes: Clean up the airframe so it can get a glide ratio of 15:1 at 300mph and = =20 you can keep the same motor and fuel consumption. =20 The numbers below come out to a glide ratio of just better than 10:1 =20 Wolfgang =20 From: Lorn H Olsen Sender:=20 Subject: LNC2/320 Cruise Speed Date: Fri, 25 Ju= n 2010 13:59:58 =20 -0400 To: lml@lancaironline.net 06/22/10 I was flying from Detroit to Ft= =20 Lauderdale at 11,000. With nothing else to do, I thought that I would tak= e=20 a few measurements. Condition LOP Lo ROP Hi --------- -------- --------- 11,000 IA 2,350RPM 2,700 RPM 13,000 DA 19.3"MP 19.8"MP 30.08 "Hg 6.0 GPH 8.6 GPH 12=B0C temp 139 kts IAS 152 kts IAS 35=B0F dewpt? 168 kts TAS 183 kts TAS 1,670 lbs For a 43% increase in fuel, a 9% increase in airspeed doesn't sound like= =20 much. However, 183 kts airspeed at 13,000 ft density altitude, no matter= how=20 you do it, is great. The LOP reading at .435 BSFC comes out to HP =3D 36 * 6 * .435 =3D 94.0= HP or=20 94.0 / 160 =3D 59% power. Comments appreciated. Lorn --part1_371ea.7a8b3908.395691f4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <= FONT id=3Drole_document color=3D#000000 size=3D2 face=3DArial>
Wolfgang,
 
Interesting.
 
In real life and with my power set at a guess of zero thrust, the AOA= shows=20 a best glide of about 106 KIAS.  That is 1.767 NM/minute or 10734=20 feet/minute.
 
With my prop in cruise pitch the descent rate was about 1500 feet/min= or a=20 glide ratio of 7:1 - drat.
 
With my prop in coarse pitch, the descent rate drops to about 500 ft/= min or=20 a glide ratio of 21:1 - ooh.....
 
You are right in that drag is everything.  Even small flat plate= drag=20 requires power cubed for overcoming parasitic drag squared.  Best gli= de=20 speed is at max lift/drag where the induced drag and parasitic drag curves= =20 intersect.  Induced drag increasing as speed is reduced and parasitic= drag=20 increasing as speed increases. 
 
Scott Krueger
IO 320
 
In a message dated 6/25/2010 5:30:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time,=20 Wolfgang@MiCom.net writes:
Clean up the airframe so it can get a glide ratio of 15:1 at 300mph= and=20 you can keep the same motor and fuel consumption.
 
The numbers below come out to a glide ratio of just better=20 than 10:1
 
Wolfgang
 
From: Lorn H Olsen=20 <lorn@dynacomm.us>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>=
Subject: LNC2/320 Cruise Speed
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 13:59:58=20 -0400
To: lml@lancaironl= ine.net
06/22/10 I was flying from Detroit to Ft= =20 Lauderdale at 11,000. With nothing else to do, I thought that I wo= uld=20 take a few measurements.

Condition LOP Lo ROP Hi
-------= --=20 -------- ---------
11,000 IA 2,350RPM 2,700 RPM
13,000 DA 19= .3"MP=20 19.8"MP
30.08 "Hg 6.0 GPH 8.6 GPH
12=B0C temp 139 kts IAS 15= 2 kts=20 IAS
35=B0F dewpt? 168 kts TAS 183 kts TAS
1,670 lbs

F= or a 43%=20 increase in fuel, a 9% increase in airspeed doesn't sound like muc= h.=20 However, 183 kts airspeed at 13,000 ft density altitude, no matter= how=20 you do it, is great.

The LOP reading at .435 BSFC comes out= to HP=20 =3D 36 * 6 * .435 =3D 94.0 HP or 94.0 / 160 =3D 59% power.

= Comments=20 appreciated.

Lorn
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