X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 08:20:51 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imr-ma04.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.42] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.8) with ESMTP id 4363466 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 19 Jun 2010 15:49:43 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.206.42; envelope-from=VTAILJEFF@aol.com Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o5JJn5bx024518 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2010 15:49:05 -0400 Received: from VTAILJEFF@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id q.d87.cda1cab (43953) for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2010 15:48:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-dd02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-dd02.mx.aol.com [205.188.84.130]) by cia-dd01.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADD012-d3ed4c1d1f2217; Sat, 19 Jun 2010 15:48:55 -0400 Received: from webmail-stg-m04 (webmail-stg-m04.sim.aol.com [64.12.222.103]) by smtprly-dd02.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDD021-d3ed4c1d1f2217; Sat, 19 Jun 2010 15:48:50 -0400 References: X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Odyssey batteries with very limited warranties X-Original-Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 15:48:50 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 24.107.71.251 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: vtailjeff@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CCDDFF92E811C5_16A0_1F05C_webmail-stg-m04.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 31888-STANDARD Received: from 24.107.71.251 by webmail-stg-m04.sysops.aol.com (64.12.222.103) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 19 Jun 2010 15:48:50 -0400 X-Original-Message-Id: <8CCDDFF92DC2AE0-16A0-DF2F@webmail-stg-m04.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: VTAILJEFF@aol.com ----------MB_8CCDDFF92E811C5_16A0_1F05C_webmail-stg-m04.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Lorn, I've read your posts through the years about your hard landings, engine fa= ilures, almost running out of fuel, etc and have concluded you are either= one lucky guy or God really looks after you. Taking off with a KNOWN prob= lem is a big "no-no" but you probably already knew that. Of course the bet= ter solution would have been to get another battery at a local battery sto= re (that's why I used Odysseys) or to delay my trip and put the battery on= a charger. I am glad nothing serious happened.=20 Best Regards, Jeff In 2005, I forgot to turn off my ignition for 7 days. The battery was real= ly dead. I was in New Orleans and was going to fly home to Detroit. I put= a car jumper on the battery and hand propped the plane. Initially the cha= rge was 10 amps. In the 5 hour flight back to Detroit, the charge rate wen= t up to 60 amps and a CB popped. I waited 15 minutes and reset it. A few= minutes later it popped again. I reset it again, etc. By the end of the= flight, I was back down to a 5 amp charge. -----Original Message----- From: Lorn H Olsen To: lml@lancaironline.net Sent: Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:01 pm Subject: [LML] Re: Odyssey batteries with very limited warranties Robert, I purchased an BC100-1 from B&C Speciality Products in 2003. The BC100-1= is actually an Odyssey PC925 battery. It was recommended by the engineer= at B&C because, he said: "I have less customer complaints with these batt= eries.". I do not have a B&C alternator or voltage regulator, although fro= m what I have read and my experience with them, I would recommend B&C. Before the B&C battery, I had to replace both Gill and Concorde batteries= within 6 months to one year. In 2005, I forgot to turn off my ignition for 7 days. The battery was real= ly dead. I was in New Orleans and was going to fly home to Detroit. I put= a car jumper on the battery and hand propped the plane. Initially the cha= rge was 10 amps. In the 5 hour flight back to Detroit, the charge rate wen= t up to 60 amps and a CB popped. I waited 15 minutes and reset it. A few= minutes later it popped again. I reset it again, etc. By the end of the= flight, I was back down to a 5 amp charge. When parked, I always keep a= 1.25 amp Battery Tender on the plane. In 2008, I ran the battery dead again. It was not as bad this time. Today, I am still using the same battery. I have been having a problem sta= rting the airplane when cold. The battery will still crank the plane for= 3 to 5 minutes with my high amp SkyTec starter. Odyssey batteries are without a doubt, in my mind, the best batteries made= . If your Odyssey batteries are unusable after anything less than 5 years,= I believe that your charging amperage is to high or to low. You may also= try using a Battery Tender or Odyssey's custom charger. Lorn From: "Lancair" Date: June 18, 2010 4:00:03 PM EDT Just had two of my four Odyssey PC680 batteries crap out after 2 years of= service although an identical set on the other buss are fine. I called= the local Odyssey/EnerSys dealer and found that they will not handle warr= anty claims for batteries bought elsewhere. I phoned Odyssey and learned= that is a common problem. Kinda like a local Ford dealer refusing to wor= k on Fords purchased elsewhere. Just be aware that for warranty replaceme= nts you may have to deal directly with the factory in MO (who are actually= nice folks - they just have some weasels for dealers). =20 Robert M. Simon ES-P N301ES -- Lorn H. 'Feathers' Olsen, MAA, ASMEL, ASES, Comm, Inst DynaComm, Corp., 248-345-0500, mailto:lorn@dynacomm.us LNC2, FB90/92, O-320-D1F, 1,700 hrs, N31161, Y47, SE Michigan =3D=20 ----------MB_8CCDDFF92E811C5_16A0_1F05C_webmail-stg-m04.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Lorn,
 
I've read your posts through the years about your hard landings, engi= ne failures, almost running out of fuel, etc and have concluded you are ei= ther one lucky guy or God really looks after you. Taking off with a KNOWN= problem is a big "no-no" but you probably already knew that. Of course th= e better solution would have been to get another battery at a local batter= y store (that's why I used Odysseys) or to delay my trip and put the batte= ry on a charger. I am glad nothing serious happened.
 
Best Regards,
 
Jeff
In 20= 05, I forgot to turn off my ignition for 7 days. The battery was really de= ad. I was in New Orleans and was going to fly home to Detroit. I put a car= jumper on the battery and hand propped the plane. Initially the charge wa= s 10 amps. In the 5 hour flight back to Detroit, the charge rate went up= to 60 amps and a CB popped. I waited 15 minutes and reset it. A few minut= es later it popped again. I reset it again, etc. By the end of the flight,= I was back down to a 5 amp charge.




-----Original Message-----
From: Lorn H Olsen <lorn@dynacomm.us>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Sat, Jun 19, 2010 2:01 pm
Subject: [LML] Re: Odyssey batteries with very limited warranties

Robert,

I purchased an BC100-1 from B&C Speciality Products in 2003. The= BC100-1 is actually an Odyssey PC925 battery. It= was recommended by the engineer at B&C because, he said: "I have less= customer complaints with these batteries.". I do not have a B&C alter= nator or voltage regulator, although from what I have read and my experien= ce with them, I would recommend B&C.

Before the B&C battery, I had to replace both Gill and Concorde= batteries within 6 months to one year.

In 2005, I forgot to turn off my ignition for 7 days. The battery was= really dead. I was in New Orleans and was going to fly home to Detroit.= I put a car jumper on the battery and hand propped the plane. Initially= the charge was 10 amps. In the 5 hour flight back to Detroit, the charge= rate went up to 60 amps and a CB popped. I waited 15 minutes and reset it= . A few minutes later it popped again. I reset it again, etc. By the end= of the flight, I was back down to a 5 amp charge. When parked, I always= keep a 1.25 amp Battery Tender = on the plane.

In 2008, I ran the battery dead again. It was not as bad this time.

Today, I am still using the same battery. I have been having a proble= m starting the airplane when cold. The battery will still crank the plane= for 3 to 5 minutes with my high amp SkyTec starter.

Odyssey batteries are without a doubt, in my mind, the best batteries= made.

If your Odyssey batteries are unusable after anything less than= 5 years, I believe that your charging amperage is to high or to low. You= may also try using a Battery Tender or Odyssey's custom charger.

Lorn

From: "Lancair" <lan= cair-esp@ustek.com>
Date: June 18, 2010 4:00:03 PM EDT

Just had two of my four Odyssey PC680 batteries crap out after 2 year= s of service although an identical set on the other buss are fine.  I=  called the local Odyssey/EnerSys dealer and found that they will not= handle warranty claims for batteries bought elsewhere.  I phoned&nbs= p;Odyssey and learned that is a common problem.  Kinda like a local= Ford dealer refusing to work on Fords purchased elsewhere.  Just be&= nbsp;aware that for warranty replacements you may have to deal directly wi= th the factory in MO (who are actually nice folks - they just have so= me weasels for dealers).
 
Robert M. Simon
ES-P N301ES

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Lorn H. 'Feathers' Olsen,= MAA, ASMEL, ASES, Comm, Inst
DynaComm, Corp., 248-= 345-0500, mailto:lorn@dynacomm.us<= /div>
LNC2, FB90/92, O-320-D1F,= 1,700 hrs, N31161, Y47, SE Michigan

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