X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 15:14:54 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.59.211] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.2) with ESMTP id 4142241 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 01 Mar 2010 14:32:47 -0500 Received-SPF: error receiver=logan.com; client-ip=76.96.59.211; envelope-from=gregw@onestopdesign.biz Received: from omta24.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.76]) by QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id npqh1d0241ei1Bg5BvYBLK; Mon, 01 Mar 2010 19:32:11 +0000 Received: from gregiv ([24.6.75.252]) by omta24.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id nvaQ1d00Y5ScAtC3kvaRZx; Mon, 01 Mar 2010 19:34:25 +0000 X-Original-Message-ID: From: "Greg Ward" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: Subject: Re: [LML] Re: IV-P Turbo Blanket X-Original-Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 11:41:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Hi Brent; I totally agree with the below, and we are at the stage where we have to deal with the heat from our turbo, and would like to know where you found the Zetex A600. Regards; Greg Ward; Lancair 20B N178RG, in progress ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brent Regan" To: Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 9:36 AM Subject: [LML] Re: IV-P Turbo Blanket I don't like the idea of insulating a turbocharger turbine housing as it necessarily restricts heat flow from the housing both during operation and after shut down. The Continentals have an alarmingly high maximum TIT of 1650 degrees F, necessitating the use of Inconel for the exhaust plumbing. Heat is supplied to the turbo via the exhaust gas. Heat is rejected via the exhaust gas, engine oil, conduction to the bearings and compressor and radiative cooling. Radiative cooling climbs exponentially with temperature. Blocking the flow of radiated heat causes the heat to go elsewhere, requiring that the bearings, compressor and discharge oil are all incrementally hotter. After shut down, connective air currents quickly cool the turbine housing. Keeping it warm in a blanket means the heat has more time to work on breaking down the oil in the bearings. Finally, what about the headers? If the logic is that the source of the radiative heat has to be blocked to prevent having to insulate the cowling then the headers and crossover must also be insulated as they are exposed to the same hot gasses and their area is substantially greater than the turbine housings. The best answer is to not insulate the turbos and to add a reflective shield to the lower cowling such as Zetex A600 plus (see attached picture). This addresses the heat from all sources without focusing it to sensitive areas. Automotive, commercial, marine and truck turbos operate at lower TITs, and diesels are much much lower. What works in one industry may not work in aircraft applications. Regards Brent Regan