Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #54251
From: Tony Moradian <tmoradia@yahoo.com>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: In Flight Engine Fire Extinguishers
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:18:52 -0500
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
Valin.

Great research.  Thank you.  Will you be able to provide a link to the Air Force study if it is electronically available?  In the Air Force study was there any mention of Electric heat sensors?

Thanks,

Tony Moradian
Legacy #336


From: Valin & Allyson Thorn <thorn@starflight.aero>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Mon, January 18, 2010 5:45:00 AM
Subject: [LML] Re: In Flight Engine Fire Extinguishers

Hey LML gang,

 

A big thanks to everyone that responded to my request for comments and advice regarding in flight engine fire suppression.  There were three main questions raised:

 

1.     Is Halon 1301 the best agent for an engine fire?

2.     How effective would a fire suppressant be in flight with the high air flow through the cowling?

3.     Even if extinguished, a fire may be likely to re-ignite after the suppressant is flushed away by the air flow.

 

Here’s what I’ve learned in research related to these questions…

 

Is Halon 1301 the best agent for an engine fire?

 

Yes.  Everything I’ve found in research indicates that for this application it is the best.  It requires a very low concentration for a very short period of time to extinguish a fire.  The FAA certification minimum is 6% concentration by volume for at least 0.5 seconds.  It actually works in milliseconds, though.  It has a high vapor pressure, about 200 psi, and disperses throughout the atmosphere very rapidly into nooks and crannies.  It is also non-corrosive and leaves no residue – so no cleaning is required if discharged.   There is also no acute toxicity for humans below 10% concentrations.

 

How effective would a fire suppressant be in flight with the high air flow through the cowling?

 

This was also one of my biggest questions and I couldn’t find any analysis on the internet to answer this.  So, I worked up a simplified but conservative analysis.  Below is a screen shot of part of my spreadsheet.  I talked with Safecraft’s Don Warren and he provided three key pieces of data on Halon 1301.  He said one pound of Halon 1301 as a gas will occupy 35 cubic feet at sea level pressure.  He provided two points of data on the Halon discharge rate from their 5 lb bottle at 200 psi.  In 5 seconds 2.5 lbs of Halon will be discharged and all 5 lbs will be discharged in 15 seconds.  So with those two points I created the table on the right of the Halon 1301 5 lb Bottle Discharge Performance.

 

My basic analytical approach was to look at the total volume of air each second that Halon would need to be dispersed in, to see what the minimum 6% concentration volume would be vs. airspeed.  The volume required is the total airflow volume through the inlets, for the time period being examined, plus the cowling volume.  I made conservative assumptions – for example, no cooling drag or slowing down of the air through the cowling, I assumed larger than actual cowling inlets, and larger than actual cowling (simplified as cube at max dimensions). 

 

 

I was happy to see, that even with these conservative assumptions, with discharge of a 5 lb bottle of Halon 1301 at 300 kts there would be 10 seconds with more than a 6% concentration of Halon to knock down a fire (only a half second required for spec).  You see this by comparing the Halon Discharge Rate to the Required Minimum Discharge Rate vs. Airspeed. 

 

After doing this analysis, I found a reference in a magazine article that pointed out that a 6 lb bottle of Halon 1301 is all that’s required on a 747’s engine to knock out an engine fire…  So with this analysis and the 747 benchmark, I’m convinced a 5 lb bottle of Halon 1301, with proper positioning of discharge outlets in the cowling, can knock down an in flight engine fire on a Lancair Legacy.

 

Even if extinguished, a fire may be likely to re-ignite after the suppressant is flushed away by the air flow.

 

Yes.  And of course LML’ers have pointed out that the proper procedure is to shut down the engine, cut off the fuel flow, cut off electrical power, and then discharge the Halon.  So you don’t want to do it too fast – before cutting off potential fuel and ignition sources.  One interesting thing I found in research was reference to an Air Force study that found you also don’t want to wait too long to put out the fire because it will eventually heat things up so much that the hot parts may serve as re-ignition sources.  They said the suppressant should be discharged within 14 seconds after the start of the fire for the cases they were studying.  So there’s too fast and waiting too long…  One advantage of going with a 5 lb bottle, which is much more than required to knock down a fire in a Legacy, is that it will ensure additional time to allow the airflow to cool things off to help reduce the risk of fire hot parts re-igniting the fire.

 

As a passing note, Halon 1301 systems are only certified up to 130 deg F operating environments so the tank should not be installed under the cowling – somewhere in the cabin is best.  If you only have room to put a Halon system under the cowling you should use Halon 1211 which is certified for up to 200 deg F.  The downside of 1211 is that is has a much lower vapor pressure and will require more attention to the discharge nozzles for good dispersion in the space.  BTW, 1211 is the recommended Halon for cabin extinguishers because it discharges in a stream before vaporizing so you can aim it accurately at the fire.

 

Anyway, I wanted to share this with the community for those considering fire suppression systems and hope this is helpful.  Thanks again for everyone’s advice.  Let me know if you have any comments, questions or find errors in my analysis I need to correct. 

 

Fire detection is a critical part of a fire suppression system and I’m still studying options there…

 

Thanks,

 

Valin Thorn

 

Legacy under construction, still

Houston, Texas

 

 

 

Starflight, Inc.

1702 Emerald Lake Ct,

Houston, TX 77062

281.486.4663

http://www.starflight.aero/legacy

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