X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:28:30 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from n3b.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com ([76.13.13.73] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.1) with SMTP id 4086608 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 09:35:33 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=76.13.13.73; envelope-from=mattreeves@yahoo.com Received: from [76.13.13.26] by n3.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2010 14:34:57 -0000 Received: from [76.13.10.164] by t3.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2010 14:34:57 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp105.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2010 14:34:57 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 237700.34671.bm@omp105.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 35520 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jan 2010 14:34:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=AvqDeoCtMO3gjvTuCo5cdXaANI2HwPM92FF+TlyqsZJBJElwhlQdiDjzwdcK+IweCJIABdbeU0mAtdoA4pxQ8Ejf8DerIqiUj1zJDYWa/yXz2NYDqRyRdUHuyxpZJo5SAlU7/PQIoAi8/oHSpNbJ5hgdY6NywmjkVMkbRf0GyFc=; X-Original-Message-ID: <657743.35076.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Q7_8NtcVM1lGwTDTNTWkyVIQQzV06e8jZ4_uR3jdhrbwgp1Mb.YtrYSqUzyyOODQCWKGK5QGNe9Aa_5x0v3GkCXueQv5vOjn0gbcUZdxNG7TQhoGZGLvGXkb.bJxsq2SFRa5DShWbMkhrYd5x0c5dQ7Y9ZuijNxc.gThYZUBXIriUT1_mk.CX_g.2qDYQlG.5Hd1_51tQXOqb.RYTjVPYy1sWiwIaEmdacsHV.gGHTDOUwPmLyAH12ao9knvOfH7OnVyvyhahcT.Sr_Ld3A4xs03MarSpuCD4ihXM1s26crzGauOfd7Vv4BHMyDnUGpeWnuUFQdeCan.Sk8GjTsOCcvp.OrjSfDp8uU- Received: from [74.34.211.8] by web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 06:34:55 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 X-Original-Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 06:34:55 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Reeves Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Do-it-yourself AOA Project X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-344786461-1263825295=:35076" --0-344786461-1263825295=:35076 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well said Paul.=A0 I absolutely love to hear ideas from everyone, even if t= hey seem a little confusing or crazy to me because I might take an idea and= run with it and tweak it and use it on my plane or my situation.=A0=20 That's the fun of experimentals, we can do just that.=A0=A0 Sometimes I mig= ht have an opinion on something and I almost always keep it to myself, unle= ss, it leads to an idea that might help others.=A0=A0 I think the whole poi= nt of the list has always been a fun exchange of ideas that benefits us all= , and to me, it's still fun and always will be. On the list, I learn a lot, have great friends, laugh, but in the end, have= the freedom to experiment. Here's to a safe, positive 2010 !!! Matt --- On Mon, 1/18/10, WPEdwards wrote: From: WPEdwards Subject: [LML] Re: Do-it-yourself AOA Project To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 6:43 AM =0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AHear, hear. =0A=0A =A0 =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A= =0AFrom: Lancair Mailing=0AList [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of= paul miller =0ASent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 5:29 AM =0ATo: lml@lancaironline.net =0ASubject: [LML] Re: Do-it-yourself AOA Project =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =A0 =0A= =0AWolfgang and others on this topic: =A0I really appreciate=0Athe tone whe= n people try to diagnose a problem, suggest fixes and generally add=0Ato th= e knowledge base of the group. =A0 I can't recite any electronic=0Acredenti= als or any aircraft building skills but I do enjoy listening about=0Aprojec= ts that might or might not work and why. =A0So, if Wolfgang makes a=0Asugge= stion that isn't 100% perfect or if a circuit is suggested that might not= =0Amake it onboard the shuttle then that's ok too. =A0 But, when individual= s=0Atake it upon themselves to warn listers they have to think twice before= =0Aanswering or shredding someone's opinion it serves no purpose but to shu= t down=0Adiscussion. =A0 If the "moderator" is going to permit people to=0A= specifically target individuals and demean their character in the eyes of= =0Aothers then that is the list owner's right but it erodes participation b= y some=0Aof us who aren't as skilled or thick-skinned. =A0Some brute editin= g or=0A"return to writer" would go a long way to improving the tone in 2010= .. =0A=0A=0A=0A =A0 =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AIf a few folks would simply remove the= personal criticisms=0Aand focus on the discussions I would be a happier re= ader. =A0In a week I'll=0Ahave forgotten that the LED won't burn up on the = breadboard but I won't forget=0Athe crappola we had to endure about how peo= ple aren't competent or diligent in=0Atheir writings. =A0Let's try and slim= down personal attacks and promote=0Abetter discussions. =A0 And, even if t= he writer was 100% wrong--who cares?=0AProvide facts and move on. =A0 The d= iscussion gets interesting when facts=0Acan be disputed and argued and link= s are provided to support the discussion.=0A=A0It gets boring when it slide= s into character assassination and spewing of=0Acredentials and past histor= ical triumphs as a means of making your point. =0A=0A=0A=0A =A0 =0A=0A=0A= =0A=0A=0AHappy new year everyone, =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =A0 =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A= Paul Miller =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AN357V L2K =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =A0 = =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOn 2010-01-15, at 1:07 PM, Wolfgang wrote: =0A=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AI'm=0Anot trying to beat my chest and show how much I= know. My desire is to bring=0Asolutions, not just criticism. =0A=0A=0A=0A= =0A=0A=A0 =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ABy=0Afixing a specific part of a problem, one c= an not assume approval of the whole,=0Athat would be remiss let alone fooli= sh. =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=A0 =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AI=0Awas addressing specific cri= ticism of a specific design fault . . . . only. =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=A0 =0A= =0A=0A=0A=0A=0AWolfgang =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =A0 =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A= =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A --0-344786461-1263825295=:35076 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
Well said Paul.  I absolutely love to he= ar ideas from everyone, even if they seem a little confusing or crazy to me= because I might take an idea and run with it and tweak it and use it on my= plane or my situation. 

That's the fun of experimentals, we c= an do just that.   Sometimes I might have an opinion on something= and I almost always keep it to myself, unless, it leads to an idea that mi= ght help others.   I think the whole point of the list has always= been a fun exchange of ideas that benefits us all, and to me, it's still f= un and always will be.

On the list, I learn a lot, have great friend= s, laugh, but in the end, have the freedom to experiment.

Here's to = a safe, positive 2010 !!!

Matt

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Wolfgang and o= thers on this topic:  I really appreciate=0Athe tone when people try t= o diagnose a problem, suggest fixes and generally add=0Ato the knowledge ba= se of the group.   I can't recite any electronic=0Acredentials or any = aircraft building skills but I do enjoy listening about=0Aprojects that mig= ht or might not work and why.  So, if Wolfgang makes a=0Asuggestion th= at isn't 100% perfect or if a circuit is suggested that might not=0Amake it= onboard the shuttle then that's ok too.   But, when individuals=0Atak= e it upon themselves to warn listers they have to think twice before=0Aansw= ering or shredding someone's opinion it serves no purpose but to shut down= =0Adiscussion.   If the "moderator" is going to permit people to=0Aspe= cifically target individuals and demean their character in the eyes of=0Aot= hers then that is the list owner's right but it erodes participation by som= e=0Aof us who aren't as skilled or thick-skinned.  Some brute editing = or=0A"return to writer" would go a long way to improving the tone in 2010.<= /p> =0A=0A

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If a few folks would simply remove the per= sonal criticisms=0Aand focus on the discussions I would be a happier reader= ..  In a week I'll=0Ahave forgotten that the LED won't burn up on the b= readboard but I won't forget=0Athe crappola we had to endure about how peop= le aren't competent or diligent in=0Atheir writings.  Let's try and sl= im down personal attacks and promote=0Abetter discussions.   And, even= if the writer was 100% wrong--who cares?=0AProvide facts and move on. &nbs= p; The discussion gets interesting when facts=0Acan be disputed and argued = and links are provided to support the discussion.=0A It gets boring wh= en it slides into character assassination and spewing of=0Acredentials and = past historical triumphs as a means of making your point.

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