X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:45:00 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from snt0-omc3-s24.snt0.hotmail.com ([65.55.90.163] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.1) with ESMTP id 4085014 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:35:03 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.55.90.163; envelope-from=gary21sn@hotmail.com Received: from SNT112-DS19 ([65.55.90.137]) by snt0-omc3-s24.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:34:27 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [68.186.114.52] X-Originating-Email: [gary21sn@hotmail.com] X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: gary21sn@hotmail.com From: "Gary Edwards" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: Subject: Re: Do-it-yourself AOA Project X-Original-Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:34:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0159_01CA968F.16317470" In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V10.00.0070.1500 Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:34:22 -0800 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jan 2010 17:34:27.0651 (UTC) FILETIME=[2715A930:01CA96D2] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0159_01CA968F.16317470 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I concur with Paul. Gary ----- Original Message -----=20 From: paul miller=20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 5:28 AM Subject: [LML] Re: Do-it-yourself AOA Project Wolfgang and others on this topic: I really appreciate the tone when = people try to diagnose a problem, suggest fixes and generally add to the = knowledge base of the group. I can't recite any electronic credentials = or any aircraft building skills but I do enjoy listening about projects = that might or might not work and why. So, if Wolfgang makes a = suggestion that isn't 100% perfect or if a circuit is suggested that = might not make it onboard the shuttle then that's ok too. But, when = individuals take it upon themselves to warn listers they have to think = twice before answering or shredding someone's opinion it serves no = purpose but to shut down discussion. If the "moderator" is going to = permit people to specifically target individuals and demean their = character in the eyes of others then that is the list owner's right but = it erodes participation by some of us who aren't as skilled or = thick-skinned. Some brute editing or "return to writer" would go a long = way to improving the tone in 2010.=20 If a few folks would simply remove the personal criticisms and focus = on the discussions I would be a happier reader. In a week I'll have = forgotten that the LED won't burn up on the breadboard but I won't = forget the crappola we had to endure about how people aren't competent = or diligent in their writings. Let's try and slim down personal attacks = and promote better discussions. And, even if the writer was 100% = wrong--who cares? Provide facts and move on. The discussion gets = interesting when facts can be disputed and argued and links are provided = to support the discussion. It gets boring when it slides into character = assassination and spewing of credentials and past historical triumphs as = a means of making your point.=20 Happy new year everyone, Paul Miller N357V L2K ------=_NextPart_000_0159_01CA968F.16317470 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I concur with Paul.
 
Gary
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Sent: Saturday, January 16, = 2010 5:28=20 AM
Subject: [LML] Re: = Do-it-yourself AOA=20 Project

Wolfgang and others on this topic:  I really = appreciate=20 the tone when people try to diagnose a problem, suggest fixes and = generally=20 add to the knowledge base of the group.   I can't recite any = electronic=20 credentials or any aircraft building skills but I do enjoy listening = about=20 projects that might or might not work and why.  So, if Wolfgang = makes a=20 suggestion that isn't 100% perfect or if a circuit is suggested that = might not=20 make it onboard the shuttle then that's ok too.   But, when = individuals=20 take it upon themselves to warn listers they have to think twice = before=20 answering or shredding someone's opinion it serves no purpose but to = shut down=20 discussion.   If the "moderator" is going to permit people to=20 specifically target individuals and demean their character in the eyes = of=20 others then that is the list owner's right but it erodes participation = by some=20 of us who aren't as skilled or thick-skinned.  Some brute editing = or=20 "return to writer" would go a long way to improving the tone in 2010.=20

If a few folks would simply remove the personal criticisms and = focus on=20 the discussions I would be a happier reader.  In a week I'll have = forgotten that the LED won't burn up on the breadboard but I won't = forget the=20 crappola we had to endure about how people aren't competent or = diligent in=20 their writings.  Let's try and slim down personal attacks and = promote=20 better discussions.   And, even if the writer was 100% wrong--who = cares?=20 Provide facts and move on.   The discussion gets interesting when = facts=20 can be disputed and argued and links are provided to support the = discussion.=20  It gets boring when it slides into character assassination and = spewing=20 of credentials and past historical triumphs as a means of making your = point.=20

Happy new year everyone,

Paul Miller
N357V L2K
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