X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:45:00 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from argon.lunarpages.com ([216.97.227.30] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.1) with ESMTPS id 4085149 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:17:39 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.97.227.30; envelope-from=thorn@starflight.aero Received: from user-105n9qe.cable.mindspring.com ([64.91.167.78] helo=VAlien) by argon.lunarpages.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NWF4t-0007OD-0N for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:16:59 -0800 Reply-To: From: "Valin & Allyson Thorn" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Do-it-yourself AOA Project -- Tone of Some LML Discussions X-Original-Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:16:18 -0600 Organization: STARFLIGHT X-Original-Message-ID: <005301ca96e8$c4b0ca60$4e125f20$@aero> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0054_01CA96B6.7A165A60" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcqWr/bySowWYf3jQU2gMjd9Ysf+sQANrMTQ Content-Language: en-us X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - argon.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lancaironline.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - starflight.aero X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01CA96B6.7A165A60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We would like to second Paul Miller's observations and advice to our community. Sincerely, Valin & Allyson Thorn Legacy under construction Houston, Texas From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of paul miller Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 7:29 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Do-it-yourself AOA Project Wolfgang and others on this topic: I really appreciate the tone when people try to diagnose a problem, suggest fixes and generally add to the knowledge base of the group. I can't recite any electronic credentials or any aircraft building skills but I do enjoy listening about projects that might or might not work and why. So, if Wolfgang makes a suggestion that isn't 100% perfect or if a circuit is suggested that might not make it onboard the shuttle then that's ok too. But, when individuals take it upon themselves to warn listers they have to think twice before answering or shredding someone's opinion it serves no purpose but to shut down discussion. If the "moderator" is going to permit people to specifically target individuals and demean their character in the eyes of others then that is the list owner's right but it erodes participation by some of us who aren't as skilled or thick-skinned. Some brute editing or "return to writer" would go a long way to improving the tone in 2010. If a few folks would simply remove the personal criticisms and focus on the discussions I would be a happier reader. In a week I'll have forgotten that the LED won't burn up on the breadboard but I won't forget the crappola we had to endure about how people aren't competent or diligent in their writings. Let's try and slim down personal attacks and promote better discussions. And, even if the writer was 100% wrong--who cares? Provide facts and move on. The discussion gets interesting when facts can be disputed and argued and links are provided to support the discussion. It gets boring when it slides into character assassination and spewing of credentials and past historical triumphs as a means of making your point. Happy new year everyone, Paul Miller N357V L2K ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01CA96B6.7A165A60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

We would like to second Paul Miller’s observations and = advice to our community…

 

Sincerely,

 

Valin & Allyson Thorn

 

Legacy under construction

Houston, Texas

 

 

From:= Lancair = Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of paul miller
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 7:29 AM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: Do-it-yourself AOA = Project

 

Wolfgang and others on this topic:  I really = appreciate the tone when people try to diagnose a problem, suggest fixes and = generally add to the knowledge base of the group.   I can't recite any electronic credentials or any aircraft building skills but I do enjoy listening = about projects that might or might not work and why.  So, if Wolfgang = makes a suggestion that isn't 100% perfect or if a circuit is suggested that = might not make it onboard the shuttle then that's ok too.   But, when = individuals take it upon themselves to warn listers they have to think twice before answering or shredding someone's opinion it serves no purpose but to = shut down discussion.   If the "moderator" is going to permit = people to specifically target individuals and demean their character in the eyes of others then = that is the list owner's right but it erodes participation by some of us who = aren't as skilled or thick-skinned.  Some brute editing or "return to = writer" would go a long way to improving the tone in 2010.

 

If a few folks would simply remove the personal = criticisms and focus on the discussions I would be a happier reader.  In a = week I'll have forgotten that the LED won't burn up on the breadboard but I won't = forget the crappola we had to endure about how people aren't competent or = diligent in their writings.  Let's try and slim down personal attacks and = promote better discussions.   And, even if the writer was 100% wrong--who = cares? Provide facts and move on.   The discussion gets interesting when = facts can be disputed and argued and links are provided to support the = discussion.  It gets boring when it slides into character assassination and = spewing of credentials and past historical triumphs as a means of making your = point.

 

Happy new year everyone,

 

Paul Miller

N357V L2K

 

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