X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:43:12 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from n15.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.206.42] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.1) with SMTP id 4084934 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 10:28:41 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.142.206.42; envelope-from=wpedwards@hilgardhouse.com Received: from [68.142.194.244] by n15.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2010 15:28:05 -0000 Received: from [68.142.201.66] by t2.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2010 15:28:05 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp418.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2010 15:28:05 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 226028.5181.bm@omp418.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 18146 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2010 15:28:04 -0000 Received: from cpe-76-89-154-136.socal.res.rr.com (wpedwards@76.89.154.136 with login) by smtp108.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2010 07:28:04 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: 6upBwtCswBDzNn3Hc9VYjfiP97A_RnP6DYkxiNc- X-YMail-OSG: WwNb_U0VM1k0gw0TsPNJd0otQD6W6zDYQgCAYK9ol9UgZEuiQ_NWfkcjnMPZm.G4VNULvylcPRLHRW2FlseSD6OPKB4rk2jh6J_Pu6sdDtz2YSTD9dU3Oi_oW_zoP1QOrBceIVVuJC5iu2OlWvPTi4EUUm8qxPnOozEw6ZFh8_cId10f0OQetmofIvWVaQywcacKg5JyN78rl27otJvnHHNCAPeSQE8OWnMS5ubx5_.E8LQmsvCFeK2o.O9WL8CxoV6DstgyjOYIvqHZtCmt6c4EzGBHO.O3slXPVXWVHCC9 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "WPEdwards" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Do-it-yourself AOA Project X-Original-Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 07:28:02 -0800 X-Original-Message-ID: <006501ca96c0$7e5f9140$7b1eb3c0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0066_01CA967D.703C5140" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcqWr9A0xed0hjmgSrCbugzs6Q/z7AAEKahQ Content-Language: en-us This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01CA967D.703C5140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hear, hear. From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of paul miller Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 5:29 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Do-it-yourself AOA Project Wolfgang and others on this topic: I really appreciate the tone when people try to diagnose a problem, suggest fixes and generally add to the knowledge base of the group. I can't recite any electronic credentials or any aircraft building skills but I do enjoy listening about projects that might or might not work and why. So, if Wolfgang makes a suggestion that isn't 100% perfect or if a circuit is suggested that might not make it onboard the shuttle then that's ok too. But, when individuals take it upon themselves to warn listers they have to think twice before answering or shredding someone's opinion it serves no purpose but to shut down discussion. If the "moderator" is going to permit people to specifically target individuals and demean their character in the eyes of others then that is the list owner's right but it erodes participation by some of us who aren't as skilled or thick-skinned. Some brute editing or "return to writer" would go a long way to improving the tone in 2010. If a few folks would simply remove the personal criticisms and focus on the discussions I would be a happier reader. In a week I'll have forgotten that the LED won't burn up on the breadboard but I won't forget the crappola we had to endure about how people aren't competent or diligent in their writings. Let's try and slim down personal attacks and promote better discussions. And, even if the writer was 100% wrong--who cares? Provide facts and move on. The discussion gets interesting when facts can be disputed and argued and links are provided to support the discussion. It gets boring when it slides into character assassination and spewing of credentials and past historical triumphs as a means of making your point. Happy new year everyone, Paul Miller N357V L2K On 2010-01-15, at 1:07 PM, Wolfgang wrote: I'm not trying to beat my chest and show how much I know. My desire is to bring solutions, not just criticism. By fixing a specific part of a problem, one can not assume approval of the whole, that would be remiss let alone foolish. I was addressing specific criticism of a specific design fault . . . . only. Wolfgang ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01CA967D.703C5140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hear, hear.

 

From:= Lancair = Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of paul miller
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 5:29 AM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: Do-it-yourself AOA = Project

 

Wolfgang and others on this topic:  I really = appreciate the tone when people try to diagnose a problem, suggest fixes and = generally add to the knowledge base of the group.   I can't recite any electronic credentials or any aircraft building skills but I do enjoy listening = about projects that might or might not work and why.  So, if Wolfgang = makes a suggestion that isn't 100% perfect or if a circuit is suggested that = might not make it onboard the shuttle then that's ok too.   But, when = individuals take it upon themselves to warn listers they have to think twice before answering or shredding someone's opinion it serves no purpose but to = shut down discussion.   If the "moderator" is going to permit = people to specifically target individuals and demean their character in the eyes = of others then that is the list owner's right but it erodes participation = by some of us who aren't as skilled or thick-skinned.  Some brute editing = or "return to writer" would go a long way to improving the tone = in 2010.

 

If a few folks would simply remove the personal = criticisms and focus on the discussions I would be a happier reader.  In a = week I'll have forgotten that the LED won't burn up on the breadboard but I won't = forget the crappola we had to endure about how people aren't competent or = diligent in their writings.  Let's try and slim down personal attacks and = promote better discussions.   And, even if the writer was 100% wrong--who = cares? Provide facts and move on.   The discussion gets interesting when = facts can be disputed and argued and links are provided to support the = discussion.  It gets boring when it slides into character assassination and = spewing of credentials and past historical triumphs as a means of making your = point.

 

Happy new year everyone,

 

Paul Miller

N357V L2K

 

On 2010-01-15, at 1:07 PM, Wolfgang = wrote:



I'm not trying to beat my chest and show how much I know. My desire is to = bring solutions, not just criticism.

 

By fixing a specific part of a problem, one can not assume approval of the = whole, that would be remiss let alone foolish.

 

I was addressing specific criticism of a specific design fault . . . . = only.

 

Wolfgang

 

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