Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #54172
From: Robert Pastusek <rpastusek@htii.com>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: RE: [LML] Re: 2009 Lancair Accidents factoids
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:17:25 -0500
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>

About 20% of the currently flying Lancair owners are LOBO members. But that’s not the issue. The message is that there are a number of Lancair owners who have made significant efforts to maintain and fly their aircraft safely…some since the very first Lancairs flew. They, along with the Lancair Company and a number of professionals in the training and maintenance business, have helped almost all of us. Speaking strictly for myself, it’s hard to imagine that I could have ever built and flew my “magic carpet” without the considerable help and advice of a telephone book-size group of generous people. We have collectively gathered a large body of knowledge, to include some “old wives tales” to be sure, but a hugely valuable resource for those of us that hope to fly these magnificent aircraft for a very long time.

 

LOBO was created to add to that body of knowledge, if possible, and to promote the concept through sharing of information and camaraderie. I’ve advised several potential LOBO members that, based on their years and flight time in Lancairs, they would likely receive little technical or training benefit. Some, like Bill Harrelson, joined and have participated actively anyway, sharing their considerable experience with others at the maintenance clinic  held at Manassas, VA last June—and to anyone who ever asked—at any time. Bill is but one personal example for me; there are MANY others.

 

My dad’s advice when I was quite young seems relevant:  “Son, I hope  you can learn to accept and use the lessons of others, because at the current rate, I’m pretty sure you’re not going to live long enough to learn all of life’s lessons the hard way.”  …and that’s what LOBO is about: sharing information. Many of you already know well more about these aircraft than you’ll likely learn through association with LOBO. I hope you will continue to share it, whether through LOBO, the LML, or personal contact. For about 200 Lancair owners, LOBO is another source of information, and kinship. I joined for both, and have been well rewarded for doing so.

 

Bob Pastusek

Arlington, VA

 

 

 

 

From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Kailani
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 6:19 AM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: 2009 Lancair Accidents factoids

 

How many Lancairs are flying?

How many of those Lancairs are owned by LOBO members?

How many of the "non-members" have been flying for more than a year? (the amount of time LOBO has been in existence)

 

sorry, but you aren't going to convince me that the numbers for one year show that LOBO members are any safer than non-LOBO members.  I have no issue with LOBO but I think that's a pretty strong statement to make with very little to base it on.  I also think the underhanded slap to members of this board who are not members of LOBO is a pretty craptastic way to get new ones. 

On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 4:27 PM, <vtailjeff@aol.com> wrote:

not statisically likely

 

-----Original Message-----
From: freyas.favored@gmail.com
To: lml@lancaironline.net

Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2010 2:42 pm
Subject: [LML] Re: 2009 Lancair Accidents factoids

Or could it be that more people who fly aren't members of LOBO so the odds are with you.

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Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 14:09:12 -0500

Subject: [LML] Re: 2009 Lancair Accidents factoids

 

Matt,

 

The important part is NO LOBO accidents in 2009. Pretty significant when not a single LOBO member joins the NTSB club in 2009 -- a better question would be why are LOBO members "safer" than the general Lancair community? You probably only have to look at the recent LML discussions to answer that question for yourself.

 

Best Regards,

 

Jeff Edwards

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