X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 06:19:06 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imr-ma05.mx.aol.com ([64.12.100.31] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.0) with ESMTP id 4069962 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 22:03:18 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.100.31; envelope-from=cfi@instructor.net Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o0932e1u007182 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 22:02:40 -0500 Received: from cfi@instructor.net by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id q.c26.719307ec (55764) for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 22:02:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-md01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-md01.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.154]) by cia-md05.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMD055-d4174b47f1c021b; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 22:02:36 -0500 Received: from web-mmc-m03 (web-mmc-m03.sim.aol.com [64.12.224.136]) by smtprly-md01.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMD015-d4174b47f1c021b; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 22:02:24 -0500 References: X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [LML] FAA order 8130.2F X-Original-Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 22:02:24 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 98.164.121.97 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: cfi@instructor.net X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CC5EEF4DB6AE05_2E8_2C8E_web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: Mail.com Webmail 30361-STANDARD Received: from 98.164.121.97 by web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com (64.12.224.136) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 08 Jan 2010 22:02:24 -0500 X-Original-Message-Id: <8CC5EEF4D9C7EDA-2E8-157F@web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: cfi@instructor.net ----------MB_8CC5EEF4DB6AE05_2E8_2C8E_web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Any company who intends to develop an aircraft for the purpose of being= a "kit" or homebuilt aircraft with the intent to be certified under the= experimental homebuilt category will most likely have to built a proof of= concept airplane or "prototype". To certify an aircraft under the experi= mental homebuilt category it must be built solely for their own education= or recreation. Since a company intends to produce this kit aircraft they= cannot certify it under the homebuilt category because it is not being bu= ilt for personal education or recreation. Kit manufacturers may be eligib= le to receive an experimental certificate (=C2=A7 21.191(f)) for the purpo= se of conducting market surveys, sales demonstrations, and customer crew= training as provided. This is what Lancair, Rans, Velocity and all the= other kit manufactures' received for their first aircraft or "prototype".= If you look at the A/W certificate on N407L, N409L, N199L or N320L, thi= s is exactly how they are certified. There is a lot more to bringing a ki= t to market though. The hard part is to get the FAA to approve the kit as= meeting the "majority" rule. Also known as the 51% rule. =20 Ron Galbraith =20 -----Original Message----- From: marv@lancair.net To: lml@lancaironline.net Cc: cskoppe@cfl.rr.com Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2010 3:42 pm Subject: [LML] FAA order 8130.2F The subject Order deals with airworthiness certification, &starting with= Part 146 it's about experimentals.... A friend from Europe is working on= (what he hopes will become) a new kit airplane and he'sstumbled across Pa= rt 147.d that addresses prototypes. Anyone have an idea of what the certi= fication of that airplane would be since 147.d onlysays what it can't be.= Typical governmental legalese... almost seems like you need to simply ca= ll it experimental, and keep it divorced from anyimplication that it's a= prototype. Any thoughts out there? =20 ----------MB_8CC5EEF4DB6AE05_2E8_2C8E_web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
Any com= pany who intends to develop an aircraft for the purpose of being a "kit"= or homebuilt aircraft with the intent to be certified under the experimen= tal homebuilt category will most likely have to built a proof of concept= airplane or "prototype".  To certify an aircraft under the experimen= tal homebuilt category it must be built solely for their own education or= recreation.  Since a company intends to produce this kit aircraft th= ey cannot certify it under the homebuilt category because it is not being= built for personal education or recreation.  Kit manufacturers may= be eligible to receive an experimental certificate (=C2=A7 21.191(f)) for= the purpose of conducting market surveys, sales demonstrations, and custo= mer crew training as provided.   This is what Lancair, Rans, Vel= ocity and all the other kit manufactures' received for their first aircraf= t or "prototype".   If you look at the A/W certificate on N407L,= N409L, N199L or N320L, this is exactly how they are certified.  Ther= e is a lot more to bringing a kit to market though.  The hard part is= to get the FAA to approve the kit as meeting the "majority" rule. = Also known as the 51% rule. 

Ron Galbraith



The subject Order deals with airworthin= ess certification, & starting with Part 146 it's about experimentals.... A friend from Europe= is working on (what he hopes will become) a new kit airplane and he's stumbled across Part 147.d that addresses prototypes.  Anyone have an= idea of what the certification of that airplane would be since 147.d only says what it can't be.  Typical governmental legalese... almost seems= like you need to simply call it experimental, and keep it divorced from= any implication that it's a prototype.  Any thoughts out there?

  <Marv>
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