Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #53353
From: Colyn Case at earthlink <colyncase@earthlink.net>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] LOP operations with O-360
Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 19:01:41 -0500
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
Keith, I'd be focused on egt's not cht's as the main indicator of how far LOP you are.  Make sure you get past peak, other than that, cht's below 400.
Sounds like you have a very good installation.
On my c172rg with an O-360 I can run just slightly lean of peak before the vibration gets unreasonable.   ...so I have the MP back to 21 or less before going there.
If I can get the cht's to < 390 I'm happy.
 
Colyn
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 4:17 PM
Subject: [LML] LOP operations with O-360

So, after reading John Deakin's articles upwards of 5 times, I'd been itching to try lean of peak operations, but figured it was out of the question without fuel injection, and quite possibly balanced injectors at that.

I then came across an update saying that someone had quite a bit of luck with non-injected engine using carb heat, which supposedly helped vaporize the fuel prior to entering the cylinders.

So, up I went today. Being cautious of the rough transition zone, I pulled through it pretty aggressively once it started happening, a little too far, evidently, because the engine gave up.  I figured that might happen, but also figured the restart would be uneventful, consisting of no more than gently pushing the mixture in until it fired again). 

My EGT's were around 1450 and the engine smooth as silk. Hmmm...had I pushed too far, back over to ROP?  It didn't feel like that was possible, I'd barely inched the mixture forward.  Fuel flow was around 9.5.  That would be normal for being up at 9/10k, but not down here at 4k, with wide open throttle.  Then I saw the CHT's. Oh baby.  320!

Just to confirm, I edged the mixture in a tiny bit more, and sure enough, the EGT's crept up 20degs. That confirmed, I was on the lean side ever since the restart.

Later on, I killed the carb heat, and while I could feel a TINY different in vibration, it was not significant.

Holy cow, it seems to run perfectly happily on the lean side, with an O-360! Who knew??

With that VERY informal test out of the way, I will now become well-versed with the lean finder mode on the engine monitor...today's flight was just to find out if I should bother digging deeper.  For a 60-80deg drop in CHT's, and 9.5gph instead of 12gph (down low, least), I'll take it! 

I'm posting this for those that are interested in LOP, but haven't tried it with non-injected power plants.

Keith
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