X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 11:42:37 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nskntmtas02p.mx.bigpond.com ([61.9.168.140] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.16) with ESMTP id 3889094 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 07:06:28 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=61.9.168.140; envelope-from=frederickmoreno@bigpond.com Received: from nskntotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com ([121.221.212.198]) by nskntmtas02p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20091017110551.VPZH93.nskntmtas02p.mx.bigpond.com@nskntotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:05:51 +0000 Received: from Razzle ([121.221.212.198]) by nskntotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20091017110550.SSWJ6148.nskntotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@Razzle> for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:05:50 +0000 From: "Frederick Moreno" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mail" Subject: FW: [LML] Re: FAA RESCINDS INFO LETTER X-Original-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19:05:35 +0800 X-Original-Message-ID: <00ad01ca4f19$c2602ce0$472086a0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcpOmvJE4ud95jomTt6BD3DlGTq+PwAfklnA Content-Language: en-au X-RPD-ScanID: Class unknown; VirusThreatLevel unknown, RefID str=0001.0A150202.4AD9A50F.003B,ss=1,fgs=0 X-SIH-MSG-ID: qB4wE9z9TFa2kTAvmTy2alorgFm6/gF5uMhSBI0wt0lHEVbCu8DAQciibaFAw5Dn3TZcVUvBLh5zJ7zlWp/Qs9OwJLZUW6Db5/gFsw== Does your hangar group think some of the accidents also involved lack of proper rudder control during the turn, especially when they tighten the bank? John Schroeder Could be, but not discussed. However, it is, I think, generally well known that sometimes pilots like to lean on the rudder peddle to accelerate the nose coming around, and this can cause major problems with the inside wing calling it a day. It just adds to the sequence of mistakes. So maybe the last error is: "The Lancair pilot, seeing he is overshooting the centreline, and knowing he should not bank any steeper, unconsciously leans on the inside rudder peddle to tighten up the turn to final. Stall spin crash burn." Good point. Something else to watch for. F