X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:22:38 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.40] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.16) with ESMTP id 3883554 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:50:53 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=76.96.30.40; envelope-from=j.hafen@comcast.net Received: from OMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.19]) by QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id rpTf1c0050QkzPwA4vqKRe; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:50:19 +0000 Received: from [10.128.90.251] ([75.151.125.133]) by OMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id rvqJ1c0092soXEK8NvqJhX; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:50:19 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.17.0.090302 X-Original-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:50:16 -0700 Subject: Fatal plane crash video. -- How to stall, and crash, a Cessna L-19 (forerunner to the C170 line) From: John Hafen X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List X-Original-Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Fatal plane crash video. -- How to stall, and crash, a Cessna L-19 (forerunner to the C170 line) Thread-Index: AcooziCsGsijCpGaQhOySRV5/6g3uwAK4CBgAO4xSGAA05rboAbdGaBb In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3338196617_1121545" > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3338196617_1121545 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable >>> =20 >>> Lancairs don=B9t have a monopoly on stalling close to the ground and cras= hing. >>>=20 >>> Run the video forward to the last minute =8B that=B9s all you need to see. = High >>> altitude, high density altitude, rising terrain, 45 degree turn, stall, >>> crash, burn, die. Not necessarily in that order, hopefully. >>>=20 >>> Shows how fast bad stuff happens once you paint yourself into a corner. >>>=20 >>> Cheers, >>>=20 >>> John Hafen >>> N413AJ IVP 190 hours in the sunny skies of Seattle. >>>=20 >>> My apologies if you have seen this already. >>>=20 >>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------= - >>> =20 >>> Here's a video shot by a "Bird Dog" pilot >>> =20 >>> just before he crashed in Colo. in 1984. >>> =20 >>> The wreckage wasn't found for 3 years. >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> Suggest you read all the details and then >>> =20 >>> view the 6 minute video. >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> Document #1 -- The tragic tale of the missing Cessna L-19E >>> =20 >>> Cessna serial number 24527 - FAA Reg. Number N4584A - January, 2009 >>> Intended Flight Route: Granby, Colorado to (Jeffco County) Denver, Colo= rado. >>> Lost: August 10th, 1984 More.. at approx. 13:00 hours Found: August 23r= d, >>> 1987, near Tabernash, Colorado >>> =20 >>> It=B9s a very tragic tale =AD unwittingly caught on film by the gentleman = who >>> died in the crash along with a friend riding in the back seat. It was f= irst >>> shown to me (along with many others) at an FIRC (Flight Instructor Rene= wal >>> Clinic) over 20 years ago. >>> =20 >>> The family of the deceased had put a 20-year moratorium (via the FAA) = on >>> the release of the film to the general public with the only stipulation= that >>> it (at the FAA=B9s request to the family of the deceased) be shown ONLY t= o >>> Flight Instructors at FIRC=B9s and workshops such as the ones I attend ev= ery >>> two years (for the purpose of renewing my flight instructor=B9s license; = along >>> with discussing the lessons learned herein with private & commercial pi= lot >>> applicants so that the knowledge gleaned from the tape could be used an= d >>> disseminated to help prevent this kind of thing from happening to someo= ne >>> else). Last year the moratorium was up and not renewed =AD so it effectiv= ely >>> became =B3public domain=B2. >>> =20 >>> Here=B9s what happened: The gentleman flying this aircraft (a restored >>> single-engine Cessna L-19E =B3Bird Dog=B2 - commonly used by the US Army >>> (beginning in 1962, it was also known as the =B3O-1=B2 during the Vietnam W= ar =AD >>> the last one retiring from active service in 1974) & the USAF in Korea = & >>> Vietnam for general spotting (F.A.C.) & liaison duties as well as a bas= ic >>> training airplane in the US) had been offered a contract by the Colorad= o >>> Dept. of Forestry to videotape a particularly nasty type of beetle >>> infestation that had been ravaging hundreds of acres of Colorado forest= in >>> and around some of the higher-elevation foothills surrounding some of t= he >>> Rockies. One thing that was unique about this particular flight was tha= t the >>> pilot had mounted a VHS video camcorder atop the instrument panel for t= he >>> purpose of visually recording any beetle infestation that was observed = along >>> the flight route. The pilot started the camera shortly after takeoff an= d it >>> ran until the aircraft crashed down through the trees =AD approx. 6-1/2 >>> minutes later. >>> =20 >>> The problem, as you=B9ll see in this (approx.) 6-1/2 minute video, was t= hat >>> he was flying into what can be clearly seen as gradually ever-ascending >>> terrain altitude. However, because of the density altitude conditions w= hich >>> existed at the time of the accident (remember, this was in August), he = was >>> already at or above the airplane=B9s effective =B3service ceiling=B2 =AD the po= int >>> at which a plane cannot maintain at least a minimum of a 100 foot-per-m= inute >>> rate of climb =AD in this case, he was flying a normally-aspirated (meani= ng no >>> turbocharger or supercharger on the engine) single-engine plane at or a= bove >>> it=B9s normal level of (density) altitude for which it was capable of >>> maintaining =AD again, considering the abrupt bank angle attempted at the= end >>> of the flight which culminated in the crash itself. >>> =20 >>> As he flew along =AD with his friend in the back seat (this being a >>> =B3tandem-seat=B2 aircraft - fore-and-aft seating =AD like a Piper Super Cub)= , you >>> can see the terrain continually slowly increase in altitude, until righ= t at >>> the very end of the tape, when he makes his second =AD and fatal =AD error.= He >>> makes a moderately steep turn to the right (in excess of 45 to 50 degre= es >>> angle of bank) in an attempt to turn around quickly =AD the plane loses >>> considerable lift and initially stalls twice; then on the 3rd stall (wi= th >>> the stall warning horn blaring in the background), enters the tradition= al >>> =B3stall/spin=B2 syndrome and flips upside down as the left (up-wing) wing >>> stalls completely and the plane, flipping over on it=B9s back, plunges >>> straight down through the trees =AD but not before capturing the pilot=B9s = last >>> mournful cry to his friend in the back seat: =B3Damn, hang on Ronnie!!=B2; = the >>> plane smashes downwards through the thick tree branches (you can hear t= he >>> heavy =B3thuds=B2 as the plane=B9s wings smash into these while heading for t= he >>> ground); it crashes & burns =AD killing both the pilot and back-seat >>> passenger. >>> =20 >>> There is a small fire which consumes some of the wreckage but no fores= t >>> fire is started and since the plane plunged straight down through the t= rees >>> to the ground, there was no visible tree damage for any would-be rescue= rs to >>> use to spot the wreckage or crash location. One additional important fa= ctor >>> that added to the delay of the discovery of the wreckage was the fact t= hat >>> the fuselage (the main body) of the plane came to rest upside down =AD on= top >>> of the ELT (Emergency Locator Transmitter) antenna, effectively silenci= ng >>> its emergency signal to satellites and other would-be rescue aircraft. >>> =20 >>> Note: The above photo text is wrong in that it was just over three (3) >>> years from the crash date of Aug. 10th, 1984 until its initial discover= y on >>> Aug. 23rd, 1987. >>> =20 >>> The wreckage laid there for approximately 3 years (Aug. 10th, 1984 to = Aug. >>> 23rd, 1987) until it was found by a pair of backpackers hiking through = that >>> particular location. The wreckage was removed and after the NTSB & the = FAA >>> released their findings (based on both crash evidence as well as lack o= f >>> prior logged maintenance problems with the plane); the wreckage was the= n >>> released to the family of the deceased pilot as the plane had belonged = to >>> him. The family kept what they wanted and gave the rest to a scrap yard= for >>> final disposition. >>> =20 >>> Dale Wood, a Colorado deputy sheriff investigating the wreckage and th= e >>> crash scene, discovered the shattered video recorder within the wreckag= e and >>> =B3rebuilt=B2 the tape (which was in pieces and had been exposed to the ele= ments >>> for 3 years =AD some of it hanging from tree branches during that 3 year >>> period of time!!) and turned it over to the NTSB for final review. The = end >>> result was what you see here =AD the pilot had recorded, on video tape, h= is >>> =B3=8Acontinued flight into rising terrain =AD combined with a high density >>> altitude condition existing at that time =AD along with an abrupt maneuve= r >>> (approx. 45 - 50+ degrees angle of bank) resulting in a fatal =B3stall/sp= in=B2 >>> accident=8A=B2 =AD he had unwittingly recorded his own death. >>> =20 >>> The fire had warped and partially melted the VHS recorder into a missh= apen >>> hunk of plastic that no one at the NTSB or FAA could recognize, so they >>> initially passed on a closer examination =AD thinking it was apparently s= ome >>> sort of item that could not be attributed to playing any conceivable ro= le in >>> the accident. >>> =20 >>> This is that tape =AD converted to DVD/WMV file format. The intermittent= gaps >>> in the =B3engine rumbling noises=B2 and the electronic =B3glitches=B2 in the vi= deo >>> and audio portions of the tape were caused by tree and ground impact da= mage >>> along with heat from the fire as well as exposure to the elements for t= hree >>> years =AD I saw this tape approx. 20 years ago and its exactly as I saw i= t >>> back then. - Finis - >>> =20 >>> The Cessna L-19E =B3Bird Dog=B2 =AD 2-seat (=B3tandem=B2 =AD fore & aft seating) >>> spotter (F.A.C.) and general-duty liaison aircraft used extensively in = both >>> the Korean and Vietnam Wars as well as in the US as a US Army and USAF = basic >>> training aircraft. Engine: Continental O-470-11, 6-cylinder, 213 hp. >>> =20 >>> Introduced in the very early 1950=B9s (around the start of the Korean Wa= r), >>> this aircraft is the =B3forerunner=B2 of what eventually became the Cessna = 170 >>> series of civilian light planes. There are approximately 120 Cessna L-1= 9=B9s >>> (also known as =B3O-1=B9s=B2) still registered & flying in the US today. >>> =20 >> =20 >> =20 >> Here is the video: >> =20 >> www.liveleak.com/view?i=3D316_1249535759 >> >> =20 >> =20 >=20 --B_3338196617_1121545 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Fatal plane crash video. -- How to stall, and crash, a Cessna L-19 (= forerunner to the C170 line)

 =20

Lancairs don= ’t have a monopoly on stalling close to the ground and crashing.

Run the video forward to the last minute — that’s all you need = to see.  High altitude, high density altitude, rising terrain, 45 degre= e turn, stall, crash, burn, die.  Not necessarily in that order, hopefu= lly.

Shows how fast bad stuff happens once you paint yourself into a corner.

Cheers,

John Hafen
N413AJ IVP 190 hours in the sunny skies of Seattle.

My apologies if you have seen this already.

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   Here's a video shot by a = "Bird Dog" pilot
 
   just before he crashed in= Colo. in 1984.
 
   The wreckage wasn't found= for 3 years.
 
   
 
   Suggest you read all the = details and then
 
   view the 6 minute video.<= /B>
 
   
 
   Document #1 -- The tragic= tale of the missing Cessna L-19E
 
 Cessna serial number 24527 - FAA Reg. Number N4584A - January, 2009 I= ntended Flight Route: Granby, Colorado to (Jeffco County) Denver, Colorado. = Lost: August 10th, 1984 More.. at approx. 13:00 hours Found: August 23rd, 19= 87, near Tabernash, Colorado
 
 It’s a very tragic tale – unwittingly caught on film by t= he gentleman who died in the crash along with a friend riding in the back se= at. It was first shown to me (along with many others) at an FIRC (Flight Ins= tructor Renewal Clinic) over 20 years ago.
 
 The family of the deceased had put a 20-year moratorium (via the FAA)= on the release of the film to the general public with the only stipulation = that it (at the FAA’s request to the family of the deceased) be shown = ONLY to Flight Instructors at FIRC’s and workshops such as the ones I = attend every two years (for the purpose of renewing my flight instructorR= 17;s license; along with discussing the lessons learned herein with private = & commercial pilot applicants so that the knowledge gleaned from the tap= e could be used and disseminated to help prevent this kind of thing from hap= pening to someone else). Last year the moratorium was up and not renewed = 211; so it effectively became “public domain”.
 
 Here’s what happened: The gentleman flying this aircraft (a res= tored single-engine Cessna L-19E “Bird Dog” - commonly used by t= he US Army (beginning in 1962, it was also known as the “O-1” du= ring the Vietnam War – the last one retiring from active service in 19= 74) & the USAF in Korea & Vietnam for general spotting (F.A.C.) &= ; liaison duties as well as a basic training airplane in the US) had been of= fered a contract by the Colorado Dept. of Forestry to videotape a particular= ly nasty type of beetle infestation that had been ravaging hundreds of acres= of Colorado forest in and around some of the higher-elevation foothills sur= rounding some of the Rockies. One thing that was unique about this particula= r flight was that the pilot had mounted a VHS video camcorder atop the instr= ument panel for the purpose of visually recording any beetle infestation tha= t was observed along the flight route. The pilot started the camera shortly = after takeoff and it ran until the aircraft crashed down through the trees &= #8211; approx. 6-1/2 minutes later.
 
 The problem, as you’ll see in this (approx.) 6-1/2 minute video= , was that he was flying into what can be clearly seen as gradually ever-asc= ending terrain altitude. However, because of the density altitude conditions= which existed at the time of the accident (remember, this was in August), h= e was already at or above the airplane’s effective “service ceil= ing” – the point at which a plane cannot maintain at least a min= imum of a 100 foot-per-minute rate of climb – in this case, he was fly= ing a normally-aspirated (meaning no turbocharger or supercharger on the eng= ine) single-engine plane at or above it’s normal level of (density) al= titude for which it was capable of maintaining – again, considering th= e abrupt bank angle attempted at the end of the flight which culminated in t= he crash itself.
 
 As he flew along – with his friend in the back seat (this being= a “tandem-seat” aircraft - fore-and-aft seating – like a = Piper Super Cub), you can see the terrain continually slowly increase in alt= itude, until right at the very end of the tape, when he makes his second = 211; and fatal – error. He makes a moderately steep turn to the right = (in excess of 45 to 50 degrees angle of bank) in an attempt to turn around q= uickly – the plane loses considerable lift and initially stalls twice;= then on the 3rd stall (with the stall warning horn blaring in the backgroun= d), enters the traditional “stall/spin” syndrome and flips upsid= e down as the left (up-wing) wing stalls completely and the plane, flipping = over on it’s back, plunges straight down through the trees – but= not before capturing the pilot’s last mournful cry to his friend in t= he back seat: “Damn, hang on Ronnie!!”; the plane smashes downwa= rds through the thick tree branches (you can hear the heavy “thudsR= 21; as the plane’s wings smash into these while heading for the ground= ); it crashes & burns – killing both the pilot and back-seat passe= nger.
 
 There is a small fire which consumes some of the wreckage but no fore= st fire is started and since the plane plunged straight down through the tre= es to the ground, there was no visible tree damage for any would-be rescuers= to use to spot the wreckage or crash location. One additional important fac= tor that added to the delay of the discovery of the wreckage was the fact th= at the fuselage (the main body) of the plane came to rest upside down –= ; on top of the ELT (Emergency Locator Transmitter) antenna, effectively sil= encing its emergency signal to satellites and other would-be rescue aircraft= .
 
 Note: The above photo text is wrong in that it was just over three (3= ) years from the crash date of Aug. 10th, 1984 until its initial discovery o= n Aug. 23rd, 1987.
 
 The wreckage laid there for approximately 3 years (Aug. 10th, 1984 to= Aug. 23rd, 1987) until it was found by a pair of backpackers hiking through= that particular location. The wreckage was removed and after the NTSB &= the FAA released their findings (based on both crash evidence as well as la= ck of prior logged maintenance problems with the plane); the wreckage was th= en released to the family of the deceased pilot as the plane had belonged to= him. The family kept what they wanted and gave the rest to a scrap yard for= final disposition.
 
 Dale Wood, a Colorado deputy sheriff investigating the wreckage and t= he crash scene, discovered the shattered video recorder within the wreckage = and “rebuilt” the tape (which was in pieces and had been exposed= to the elements for 3 years – some of it hanging from tree branches d= uring that 3 year period of time!!) and turned it over to the NTSB for final= review. The end result was what you see here – the pilot had recorded= , on video tape, his “…continued flight into rising terrain R= 11; combined with a high density altitude condition existing at that time &#= 8211; along with an abrupt maneuver (approx. 45 - 50+ degrees angle of bank)= resulting in a fatal “stall/spin” accident…” –= ; he had unwittingly recorded his own death.
 
 The fire had warped and partially melted the VHS recorder into a miss= hapen hunk of plastic that no one at the NTSB or FAA could recognize, so the= y initially passed on a closer examination – thinking it was apparentl= y some sort of item that could not be attributed to playing any conceivable = role in the accident.
 
 This is that tape – converted to DVD/WMV file format. The inter= mittent gaps in the “engine rumbling noises” and the electronic = “glitches” in the video and audio portions of the tape were caus= ed by tree and ground impact damage along with heat from the fire as well as= exposure to the elements for three years – I saw this tape approx. 20= years ago and its exactly as I saw it back then. - Finis -
 
 The Cessna L-19E “Bird Dog” – 2-seat (“tandem= ” – fore & aft seating) spotter (F.A.C.) and general-duty li= aison aircraft used extensively in both the Korean and Vietnam Wars as well = as in the US as a US Army and USAF basic training aircraft. Engine: Continen= tal O-470-11, 6-cylinder, 213 hp.
 
 Introduced in the very early 1950’s (around the start of the Ko= rean War), this aircraft is the “forerunner” of what eventually = became the Cessna 170 series of civilian light planes. There are approximate= ly 120 Cessna L-19’s (also known as “O-1’s”) still r= egistered & flying in the US today.
 

  
 
   Here is the video:
 
   www.liveleak.com/view?i=3D3= 16_1249535759 <ht= tp://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3D316_1249535759>
 
   
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