X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 18:49:00 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imr-ma06.mx.aol.com ([64.12.78.142] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.16) with ESMTP id 3881694 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:49:23 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.78.142; envelope-from=VTAILJEFF@aol.com Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n9AFmZn3026598 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:48:35 -0400 Received: from VTAILJEFF@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id q.bc8.5b887cd8 (43982) for ; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:48:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-mc02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-mc02.mx.aol.com [64.12.95.98]) by cia-dd04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADD047-d3d34ad0accc23c; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:48:32 -0400 Received: from webmail-d087 (webmail-d087.sim.aol.com [205.188.181.42]) by smtprly-mc02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMC025-d3d34ad0accc23c; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:48:28 -0400 References: X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [LML] Re: FAA RESCINDS INFO LETTER X-Original-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:48:28 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 24.107.96.192 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: vtailjeff@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CC17D83E9992C9_6234_3909B_webmail-d087.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 28200-STANDARD Received: from 24.107.96.192 by webmail-d087.sysops.aol.com (205.188.181.42) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:48:28 -0400 X-Original-Message-Id: <8CC17D83E926EA0-6234-1C05B@webmail-d087.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: VTAILJEFF@aol.com ----------MB_8CC17D83E9992C9_6234_3909B_webmail-d087.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" there are 9 different Lancair models--with significant performance differe= nces. Jeff -----Original Message----- From: GT Phantom To: lml@lancaironline.net Sent: Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:38 am Subject: [LML] Re: FAA RESCINDS INFO LETTER I must have been too dumb to get the memo.=C2=A0 I practice stalls and fal= ls all the time, sometimes just for fun. :-)=20 The Lancairs are sensitive airplanes, but IMHO not really "difficult."=C2= =A0 Once you get used to their parameters flying just about anything else= feels like driving a cement truck. Bill R. Bill Bradburry wrote:=20 It seems to me that we have all been scared to death by the admonishments= to never stall these planes.=C2=A0 As a result, nobody does any stall tes= ting or training.=C2=A0 We will die if we stall the plane!=C2=A0 Only do= stalls above 10000 feet because you will not be able to recover prior to= impact! If this stuff is true, then it is not a judgement or training issue. =C2= =A0A plane that is too dangerous to stall is too dangerous to fly. =C2=A0A= pilot needs to be able to recognize an impending stall in any plane he is= flying.=C2=A0 If we are scared to stall these Lancairs, we will eventuall= y stall close to the ground and become a =E2=80=9Ctraining issue=E2=80=9D. I am not yet flying my Legacy, but you can be damn well certain that stall= s will be part of the second flight!=C2=A0 The first flight will be one ci= rcuit, land, get out and kiss the ground! The other problem I think is fli ght into ice.=C2=A0 There have been several planes that have suddenly fall= en out of the sky.=C2=A0 I suspect that is ice.=C2=A0 I don=E2=80=99t have= thousands of hours, but so far, I have never encountered ice in any plane= I have ever flown.=C2=A0 I don=E2=80=99t plan to change that with my Lega= cy. =C2=A0 Bill B=C2=A0 =C2=A0 From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of mar= v@lancair.net Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:09 AM To: lml Subject: [LML] Re: FAA RESCINDS INFO LETTER Posted for "Bruce Gray" : =C2=A0Does this mean the information is wrong or someone applied political =C2=A0pressure? =C2=A0 =C2=A0Bruce =C2=A0www.Glasair.org=20 [It probably just means that the common sense applied by our anonymous LOB= O person must have sunken in... hardly any accidents have been caused by= airframe failures... in other words, it's not the airplane's fault, it's= a training and piloting issue.=C2=A0 Remember many years ago when they ca= lled the Bonanza=C2=A0 the "doctor killer"?=C2=A0 Same principal... lack= of training, poor judgment, just because you're good at one thing doesn't= automatically make you good at (and prepared for the challenges of) every= thing else.=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 ] =C2=A0 =C2=A0-----Original Message----- From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of =C2=A0Tom McNerney =C2=A0Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 10:08 PM =C2=A0To: lml@lancaironline.net =C2=A0Subject: [LML] FAA RESCINDS INFO LETTER =C2=A0 =C2=A0See link: =C2=A0http://www.eaa.org/news/2009/2009-10-08_lancair.asp =C2=A0=3D0 A=C2=A0Tom =C2=A0 =C2=A0-- For archives and unsub =C2=A0http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html =C2=A0 -- =C2=A0 For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.htm= l -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.htm= l ----------MB_8CC17D83E9992C9_6234_3909B_webmail-d087.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
there are 9 different Lancair models--with significant performance di= fferences.
 
Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: GT Phantom <gt_phantom@hotmail.com>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:38 am
Subject: [LML] Re: FAA RESCINDS INFO LETTER

I must have be= en too dumb to get the memo.  I practice stalls and falls all the tim= e, sometimes just for fun.

:-)

The Lancairs are sensitive airplanes, but IMHO not really "difficult."&nbs= p; Once you get used to their parameters flying just about anything else= feels like driving a cement truck.

Bill R.


Bill Bradburry wrote:=20