X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 08:12:24 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mta31.charter.net ([216.33.127.82] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.16) with ESMTP id 3881253 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 22:48:27 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.33.127.82; envelope-from=farnsworth@charter.net Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.09.01.00 201-2219-108-20080618) with ESMTP id <20091010024751.XSRD25738.mta31.charter.net@imp11> for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 22:47:51 -0400 Received: from Farnsworth ([75.139.158.86]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id qqnq1c00A1s7vFP05qnqdh; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 22:47:50 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=O_HQ3Gx8UPkA:10 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=fLuM78UsAAAA:8 a=MwWsI94oAAAA:8 a=FYN5-xcaAAAA:8 a=-yHd-JWm93GFJLQl4uwA:9 a=KEZa47F7azvGbsS7UAwA:7 a=eRiGvqK0TRswlEyJ3rxt4MEfhUUA:4 a=AqZ1frAUbxMA:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=3jk_M6PjnjYA:10 a=-Zujgq040EwA:10 a=2Tqaw1kdQzKGGZCz:21 a=EtrUaCCHHEFGTig_:21 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=Y2VNeNrzAAAA:8 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=TW66zc2HAAAA:8 a=HQ31llbKAAAA:8 a=bFmUhrMVgUKdU1FdLNYA:9 a=hB9oxodrZRlXI-zkMR4A:7 a=ueaxARyje0cmRrUGZcW-pnCvY-EA:4 From: "farnsworth" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" References: Subject: RE: [LML] Re: FAA RESCINDS INFO LETTER X-Original-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 22:47:51 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: <8B8B8E6617514C13A1823AD5E7BAF63D@Farnsworth> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0232_01CA4932.88241920" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcpJTthhcDkpjIo1Qz6qgmJ2B/OwvQAArNXQ This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0232_01CA4932.88241920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is a big difference between being "afraid to stall your airplane" and knowing that not too many good things will happen to you or your airplane in that flight regime. Following your logic, I should never have flown the T-38, F-100, F-4 or F-105, because intentional spins were prohibited. I did my best to not spin any of those aircraft and as a result I never had to follow the other warning associated with this maneuver; eject no lower than 10,000' AGL. Though I did step over the side of a couple for other reasons. Be my guest and stall your Lancair to your heart's content, but it would be nice if you would refrain from calling names just because others prefer to avoid that part of the flight envelope. Lynn Farnsworth Super Legacy #235 TSIO-550 Powered Race #44 _____ From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Taylor, David Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:10 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: FAA RESCINDS INFO LETTER What Bill B said below. Amen a hundred times. If you're afraid to stall your airplane you should not be flying it. (Or the Legacy anyway. The Legacy stalls just fine - predictable and controllable.) Dave T Lancair Legacy RG From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bill Bradburry Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 16:26 To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: FAA RESCINDS INFO LETTER It seems to me that we have all been scared to death by the admonishments to never stall these planes. As a result, nobody does any stall testing or training. We will die if we stall the plane! Only do stalls above 10000 feet because you will not be able to recover prior to impact! If this stuff is true, then it is not a judgement or training issue. A plane that is too dangerous to stall is too dangerous to fly. A pilot needs to be able to recognize an impending stall in any plane he is flying. If we are scared to stall these Lancairs, we will eventually stall close to the ground and become a "training issue". I am not yet flying my Legacy, but you can be damn well certain that stalls will be part of the second flight! The first flight will be one circuit, land, get out and kiss the ground! The other problem I think is flight into ice. There have been several planes that have suddenly fallen out of the sky. I suspect that is ice. I don't have thousands of hours, but so far, I have never encountered ice in any plane I have ever flown. I don't plan to change that with my Legacy. Bill B _____ From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of marv@lancair.net Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:09 AM To: lml Subject: [LML] Re: FAA RESCINDS INFO LETTER Posted for "Bruce Gray" : Does this mean the information is wrong or someone applied political pressure? Bruce www.Glasair.org [It probably just means that the common sense applied by our anonymous LOBO person must have sunken in... hardly any accidents have been caused by airframe failures... in other words, it's not the airplane's fault, it's a training and piloting issue. Remember many years ago when they called the Bonanza the "doctor killer"? Same principal... lack of training, poor judgment, just because you're good at one thing doesn't automatically make you good at (and prepared for the challenges of) everything else. ] -----Original Message----- From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Tom McNerney Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 10:08 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] FAA RESCINDS INFO LETTER See link: http://www.eaa.org/news/2009/2009-10-08_lancair.asp Tom -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html ------=_NextPart_000_0232_01CA4932.88241920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

There is a big difference between = being “afraid to stall your airplane” and knowing that not too many good things = will happen to you or your airplane in that flight = regime.

 

Following your logic, I should = never have flown the T-38, F-100, F-4 or F-105, because intentional spins were = prohibited. I did my best to not spin any of those aircraft and as a result I never = had to follow the other warning associated with this maneuver; eject no lower = than 10,000’ AGL. Though I did step over the side of a couple for other reasons.

 

Be my guest and stall your Lancair = to your heart’s content, but it would be nice if you would refrain from = calling names just because others prefer to avoid that part of the flight = envelope.

 

Lynn = Farnsworth

Super Legacy = #235

TSIO-550 = Powered

Race = #44

 

From: = Lancair Mailing List = [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Taylor, David
Sent: Friday, October 09, = 2009 10:10 PM
To: = lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: FAA = RESCINDS INFO LETTER

 

What Bill B = said below.  Amen a hundred times. 

 <= /o:p>

If = you’re afraid to stall your airplane you should not be flying it.  (Or the = Legacy anyway.  The Legacy stalls just fine – predictable and controllable.)

 <= /o:p>

Dave = T

Lancair = Legacy RG

 <= /o:p>

From: = Lancair Mailing List = [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bill Bradburry
Sent: Friday, October 09, = 2009 16:26
To: = lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: FAA = RESCINDS INFO LETTER

 

It seems to me that we have all been scared to death by the admonishments to never stall these planes.  As a result, nobody = does any stall testing or training.  We will die if we stall the = plane!  Only do stalls above 10000 feet because you will not be able to recover prior = to impact!

If this stuff is true, then it is not a judgement or training = issue.  A plane that is too dangerous to stall is too dangerous to fly. =  A pilot needs to be able to recognize an impending stall in any plane he = is flying.  If we are scared to stall these Lancairs, we will = eventually stall close to the ground and become a “training = issue”.

I am not yet flying my Legacy, but you can be damn well certain = that stalls will be part of the second flight!  The first flight will be = one circuit, land, get out and kiss the ground!

The other problem I think is flight into ice.  There have = been several planes that have suddenly fallen out of the sky.  I suspect = that is ice.  I don’t have thousands of hours, but so far, I have = never encountered ice in any plane I have ever flown.  I don’t plan = to change that with my Legacy.

 

Bill B 

 

From: Lancair Mailing List = [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of marv@lancair.net
Sent: Friday, October 09, = 2009 10:09 AM
To: lml
Subject: [LML] Re: FAA = RESCINDS INFO LETTER

Posted for "Bruce Gray" = <Bruce@Glasair.org>:

 Does this mean the information is wrong or someone applied = political
 pressure?
 
 Bruce
 www.Glasair.org

[It probably just means that the common sense applied by our anonymous = LOBO person must have sunken in... hardly any accidents have been caused by = airframe failures... in other words, it's not the airplane's fault, it's a = training and piloting issue.  Remember many years ago when they called the Bonanza  the "doctor killer"?  Same principal... = lack of training, poor judgment, just because you're good at one thing doesn't = automatically make you good at (and prepared for the challenges of) everything = else.  <Marv>   ]
 
 -----Original Message-----
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 To: lml@lancaironline.net
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 See link:
 http://www.eaa.org/news/2009/2009-10-08_lancair.asp
 
 Tom
 
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