X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 08:12:24 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from web31806.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.207.69] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.16) with SMTP id 3881271 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 23:15:30 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.142.207.69; envelope-from=airmale4@yahoo.com Received: (qmail 41723 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Oct 2009 03:14:54 -0000 DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mDjE8ZGIPCcPrwFwm7VFU/Lqj4+Kn/YVkXE5NngJi8MjhnjHpY+8JCKZtv/ZCiANKT1B3Ja5Kt7p70KS9yhoGgjdE2aHF9R617C0gEjPJtxfR3rtO4skkRMqOh61XBtQ0imclUzZ6s+QV2/0WHSod3qo5AuHgx/KPF++l7dxdEs=; X-Original-Message-ID: <876314.40593.qm@web31806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: AYdYtF8VM1lTFeUe7bsTrX52MdF.7UKj7XjWt6sy0x6usyCol7BUjejXb88ekn_f58aBwVPOgrTNB0T85sMt1L8l_FMYwb8dip.FZWvqkOAsOX0V7dz3.GOGNp9mlA9xYf2eMn_2mDx7nShAT4IN70aFbI0nvhCXaRHyDNHJwt_VK4So7Q222MLAnbUZm6xNuqZYqig5I5PBn_0JcVZEfSSBdfsuX73h1y5M9cOVivf1aY.JcOrc4E9fNvk2zsRtwIasLFlH_vPG9pC5FQTS9jEiTgXgvRHhn9.VFUpBNDQ3FtKc6UwngxCs0A8kYn16_qyxc_YiiZ1bXZVmY4qJB8PksRcFymMLNYQv9AXUrXHUw2ZqRWUF4KpBivtjYn9O Received: from [75.33.110.78] by web31806.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 20:14:53 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/182.10 YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.3 References: X-Original-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 20:14:53 -0700 (PDT) From: J H Webb Subject: Re: [LML] Re: FAA RESCINDS INFO LETTER X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1394605404-1255144493=:40593" --0-1394605404-1255144493=:40593 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So does the LIV, LIVP, LIVPT, 360 have very satisfactory stalls and if they= don't have a satisfactory stall, it is easily fixed.=0A=0AJack Webb=0AL360= LIV=0AThousands of experimental stalls=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_____________________= ___________=0AFrom: "Taylor, David" =0ATo: lml@la= ncaironline.net=0ASent: Fri, October 9, 2009 10:10:27 PM=0ASubject: [LML] R= e: FAA RESCINDS INFO LETTER=0A=0A =0AWhat Bill B said below. Amen a hundre= d times. =0A =0AIf you=E2=80=99re afraid to stall your airplane you should= not be=0Aflying it. (Or the Legacy anyway. The Legacy stalls just fine = =E2=80=93=0Apredictable and controllable.)=0A =0ADave T=0ALancair Legacy RG= =0A =0AFrom:Lancair Mailing=0AList [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf= Of Bill Bradburry=0ASent: Friday, October 09, 2009 16:26=0ATo: lml@lancair= online.net=0ASubject: [LML] Re: FAA RESCINDS INFO LETTER=0A =0AIt seems to = me that we have all been scared to death by the=0Aadmonishments to never st= all these planes. As a result, nobody does any=0Astall testing or training= . We will die if we stall the plane! Only=0Ado stalls above 10000 feet be= cause you will not be able to recover prior to=0Aimpact!=0AIf this stuff is= true, then it is not a judgement or=0Atraining issue. A plane that is too= dangerous to stall is too dangerous=0Ato fly. A pilot needs to be able to= recognize an impending stall in any=0Aplane he is flying. If we are scare= d to stall these Lancairs, we will=0Aeventually stall close to the ground a= nd become a =E2=80=9Ctraining issue=E2=80=9D.=0AI am not yet flying my Lega= cy, but you can be damn well=0Acertain that stalls will be part of the seco= nd flight! The first flight=0Awill be one circuit, land, get out and kiss = the ground!=0AThe other problem I think is flight into ice. There=0Ahave b= een several planes that have suddenly fallen out of the sky. I=0Asuspect t= hat is ice. I don=E2=80=99t have thousands of hours, but so far, I=0Ahave = never encountered ice in any plane I have ever flown. I don=E2=80=99t=0Apl= an to change that with my Legacy.=0A =0ABill B =0A =0A=0A__________________= ______________=0A =0AFrom:Lancair Mailing List=0A[mailto:lml@lancaironline.= net] On Behalf Of marv@lancair.net=0ASent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:09 A= M=0ATo: lml=0ASubject: [LML] Re: FAA RESCINDS INFO LETTER=0APosted=0Afor "B= ruce Gray" :=0A=0A Does this mean the information is wro= ng or someone applied political=0A pressure?=0A =0A Bruce=0A www.Glasair.or= g =0A=0A[It probably just means that the common sense applied by our anonym= ous LOBO=0Aperson must have sunken in... hardly any accidents have been cau= sed by airframe=0Afailures... in other words, it's not the airplane's fault= , it's a training and=0Apiloting issue. Remember many years ago when they = called the=0ABonanza the "doctor killer"? Same principal... lack of=0Atra= ining, poor judgment, just because you're good at one thing doesn't=0Aautom= atically make you good at (and prepared for the challenges of) everything= =0Aelse. ]=0A =0A -----Original Message-----=0AFrom: Lancair Mail= ing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of=0A Tom McNerney=0A Sen= t: Thursday, October 08, 2009 10:08 PM=0A To: lml@lancaironline.net=0A Subj= ect: [LML] FAA RESCINDS INFO LETTER=0A =0A See link:=0A http://www.eaa.org/= news/2009/2009-10-08_lancair.asp=0A =0A Tom=0A =0A --=0AFor archives and un= sub=0A http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html=0A =0A--=0A = =0AFor archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.h= tml --0-1394605404-1255144493=:40593 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
So does the LIV, LIVP, LIVPT, 360 have very satisfactory stalls a= nd if they don't have a satisfactory stall, it is easily fixed.

Jack= Webb
L360 LIV
Thousands of experimental stalls

From: "Taylor, David" <dtaylor@crescentpark.com&= gt;
To: lml@lancaironli= ne.net
Sent: Fri, Octob= er 9, 2009 10:10:27 PM
Subject: [LML] Re: FAA RESCINDS INFO LETTER

=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A = =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
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What Bill= B said below.  Amen a hundred times. 

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If you= =E2=80=99re afraid to stall your airplane you should not be=0Aflying it.&nb= sp; (Or the Legacy anyway.  The Legacy stalls just fine =E2=80=93=0Apr= edictable and controllable.)

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Dave T

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Lancair Legacy R= G

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=0A=0A<= p class=3D"MsoNormal">From: Lanca= ir Mailing=0AList [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bill B= radburry
=0ASent: Friday, October 09, 2009 16:26
=0ATo:= lml@lancaironline.net
=0ASubject: [LML] Re: FAA RESCINDS INFO LE= TTER

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It seems to me that we have a= ll been scared to death by the=0Aadmonishments to never stall these planes.=   As a result, nobody does any=0Astall testing or training.  We w= ill die if we stall the plane!  Only=0Ado stalls above 10000 feet beca= use you will not be able to recover prior to=0Aimpact!

=0A=0A

If this stuff is true, then it is not a judgement or=0Atrain= ing issue.  A plane that is too dangerous to stall is too dangerous=0A= to fly.  A pilot needs to be able to recognize an impending stall in a= ny=0Aplane he is flying.  If we are scared to stall these Lancairs, we= will=0Aeventually stall close to the ground and become a =E2=80=9Ctraining= issue=E2=80=9D.

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I am not yet flying my Le= gacy, but you can be damn well=0Acertain that stalls will be part of the se= cond flight!  The first flight=0Awill be one circuit, land, get out an= d kiss the ground!

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The other problem I thi= nk is flight into ice.  There=0Ahave been several planes that have sud= denly fallen out of the sky.  I=0Asuspect that is ice.  I don=E2= =80=99t have thousands of hours, but so far, I=0Ahave never encountered ice= in any plane I have ever flown.  I don=E2=80=99t=0Aplan to change tha= t with my Legacy.

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Bill B 

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From: Lancair Mailing List=0A[mailto:lml@la= ncaironline.net] On Behalf Of marv@lancair.net
=0ASent: Fr= iday, October 09, 2009 10:09 AM
=0ATo: lml
=0ASubject: = [LML] Re: FAA RESCINDS INFO LETTER

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Posted=0Afor "Bruce= Gray" <Bruce@Glasair.org>:
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=0A Does this mean the inf= ormation is wrong or someone applied political
=0A pressure?
=0A=  
=0A Bruce
=0A www.Glasair.org
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=0A[It probably just means th= at the common sense applied by our anonymous LOBO=0Aperson must have sunken= in... hardly any accidents have been caused by airframe=0Afailures... in o= ther words, it's not the airplane's fault, it's a training and=0Apiloting i= ssue.  Remember many years ago when they called the=0ABonanza  th= e "doctor killer"?  Same principal... lack of=0Atraining, poor judgmen= t, just because you're good at one thing doesn't=0Aautomatically make you g= ood at (and prepared for the challenges of) everything=0Aelse.  <Ma= rv>   ]
=0A 
=0A -----Original Message-----=0AFrom: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of<= br>=0A Tom McNerney
=0A Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 10:08= PM
=0A To: lml@lancaironline.net
=0A Subject: [LML] FAA RE= SCINDS INFO LETTER
=0A 
=0A See link:
=0A http://www.eaa.org/news/2009/2009-10-08_lancair.asp
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=0A Tom
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