X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 16:25:45 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imr-da03.mx.aol.com ([205.188.105.145] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.16) with ESMTP id 3880401 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 11:36:21 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.188.105.145; envelope-from=Sky2high@aol.com Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n99FZUfs023560 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 11:35:30 -0400 Received: from Sky2high@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id q.bd7.57cf0df5 (39330) for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 11:35:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Sky2high@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 11:35:27 EDT Subject: Re: [LML] Re: FAA RESCINDS INFO LETTER X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1255102527" X-Mailer: AOL 9.1 sub 5006 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: Sky2high@aol.com -------------------------------1255102527 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Marv, et al, I don't think there was any implication that the airframe was the cause of failures other than its, uh, "different" handling characteristics. I thought the FAA was right on, even though there was no emphasis that "low time in type" indicates a very high accident rate and the anon LOBOer pointed that out. However, I believe the low time in type analysis applies to non amateur built aircraft, too. I think the 4 recommendations are pretty much in line with what LOBO also recommends, especially #1. #2 was recently discussed on the LML, along with the faults in AOA systems that don't directly read wing pressures (perhaps this is what caused the FF to rescind). #3 should be well understood by the pilot as mis-rigging (especially flaps) can lead to unusual stall characteristics in different configurations and some of this is discussed in the LOBO maintenance seminars. OK, #4 is a bit wordy and somewhat vague except for the last silly sentence (perhaps another reason it was rescinded). I look forward to the rewrite....... Scott Krueger Just 134 hours short of 1000 in type. FAA Recommendations: 1. Review and thoroughly understand all available information regarding the slow-flight and stall characteristics of their own Lancair. In addition, obtain specialized training from a certificated flight instructor (CFI) in their Lancair model or other similar high-performance airplane to experience slow flight handling characteristics, stall recognition, and stall recovery techniques. 2. Install a high-quality angle-of-attack (AOA) indicator to provide warning of an impending stall. Owners that already have an AOA indicator installed should have the calibration validated to assure proper operation. Lancair flight characteristics, including stall speeds, can vary from airplane to airplane, and many Lancairs have been known to stall with little or no warning. 3. Lancair owner/operators should have their aircraft evaluated by a mechanic with Lancair maintenance experience for proper rigging, wing alignment, and weight and balance. 4. Lancair airplane builders should use the services of experienced and qualified construction evaluators who are familiar with the Lancair construction, rigging, flight, and handling characteristics. This should be done before further flight. In a message dated 10/9/2009 9:09:00 A.M. Central Daylight Time, marv@lancair.net writes: Posted for "Bruce Gray" : Does this mean the information is wrong or someone applied political pressure? Bruce www.Glasair.org [It probably just means that the common sense applied by our anonymous LOBO person must have sunken in... hardly any accidents have been caused by airframe failures... in other words, it's not the airplane's fault, it's a training and piloting issue. Remember many years ago when they called the Bonanza the "doctor killer"? Same principal... lack of training, poor judgement, just because you're good at one thing doesn't automatically make you good at (and prepared for the challenges of) everything else. ] -----Original Message----- From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Tom McNerney Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 10:08 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] FAA RESCINDS INFO LETTER See link: http://www.eaa.org/news/2009/2009-10-08_lancair.asp Tom -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html -------------------------------1255102527 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Marv, et al,
 
I don't think there was any implication that the airframe was the cau= se of=20 failures other than its, uh, "different" handling characteristics. = I=20 thought the FAA was right on, even though there was no emphasis= that=20 "low time in type" indicates a very high accident rate and the anon LOBOer= =20 pointed that out.  However, I believe the low time in type analy= sis=20 applies to non amateur built aircraft, too.
 
I think the 4 recommendations are pretty much in line with what LOBO= also=20 recommends, especially #1. 
#2 was recently discussed on the LML, along with the faults= in=20 AOA systems that don't directly read wing pressures (perhaps this is what= caused=20 the FF to rescind). 
#3 should be well understood by the pilot as mis-rigging (especially= flaps)=20 can lead to unusual stall characteristics in different configurations and= some=20 of this is discussed in the LOBO maintenance seminars.
OK, #4 is a bit wordy and somewhat vague except for the last silly se= ntence=20 (perhaps another reason it was rescinded).
 
I look forward to the rewrite.......
 
Scott Krueger
Just 134 hours short of 1000 in type.
 
FAA Recommendations:
1. Review and thoroughly understand all available information reg= arding=20 the slow-flight and stall characteristics of their own Lancair. In additio= n,=20 obtain specialized training from a certificated flight instructor (CFI) in= their=20 Lancair model or other similar high-performance airplane to experience slo= w=20 flight handling characteristics, stall recognition, and stall recovery=20 techniques.
2. Install a high-quality angle-of-attack (AOA) indicator= to=20 provide warning of an impending stall. Owners that already have an AOA ind= icator=20 installed should have the calibration validated to assure proper operation= .=20 Lancair flight characteristics, including stall speeds, can vary from airp= lane=20 to airplane, and many Lancairs have been known to stall with little or no= =20 warning.
3. Lancair owner/operators should have their aircraft evaluate= d by a=20 mechanic with Lancair maintenance experience for proper rigging, wing alig= nment,=20 and weight and balance.
4. Lancair airplane builders should use the ser= vices=20 of experienced and qualified construction evaluators who are familiar with= the=20 Lancair construction, rigging, flight, and handling characteristics. This= should=20 be done before further flight.
 
In a message dated 10/9/2009 9:09:00 A.M. Central Daylight Time,=20 marv@lancair.net writes:
Posted for "Bruce Gray"=20 <Bruce@Glasair.org>:

 Does this mean the information= is=20 wrong or someone applied=20 political
 pressure?
 
 Bruce
 www.Glasa= ir.org=20

[It probably just means that the common sense applied by our ano= nymous=20 LOBO person must have sunken in... hardly any accidents have been caused= by=20 airframe failures... in other words, it's not the airplane's fault, it's= a=20 training and piloting issue.  Remember many years ago when they cal= led=20 the Bonanza  the "doctor killer"?  Same principal... lack of= =20 training, poor judgement, just because you're good at one thing doesn't= =20 automatically make you good at (and prepared for the challenges of) ever= ything=20 else.  <Marv>   ]
 
 -----Original= =20 Message-----
From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net= ] On=20 Behalf Of
 Tom McNerney
 Sent: Thursday, October 08, 200= 9=20 10:08 PM
 To: lml@lancaironline.net
 Subject: [LML] FAA= =20 RESCINDS INFO LETTER
 
 See=20 link:
 http://www.eaa.org/news/2009/2009-10-08_lancair.asp
&n= bsp;
 Tom
 
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