X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:10:49 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail-fx0-f205.google.com ([209.85.220.205] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.15) with ESMTP id 3762185 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:23:04 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.220.205; envelope-from=carllaru@gmail.com Received: by fxm1 with SMTP id 1so474676fxm.19 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 18:22:29 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=oSSz9ysidkr1+RkmW9lGugCwB1N34lam/6epfx2hqt6nGqiJhArTu/6A17FCgEEvTt l8zPoV/EwOZ0IcPBquEbU3ubrlzUc5e12FIp+b2iXEwf6nVRYWFT3uodvwmsmhHLZpAt udD/bVGsjL1dtOtSyIdvyQOOzk4QTtfpikPVQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.130.200 with SMTP id 8mr44250hbk.7.1247793749442; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 18:22:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: X-Original-Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:22:29 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: Subject: Re: [LML] Re: A/C Systems From: Carl La Rue X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163649918b3042b5046edc9f41 --00163649918b3042b5046edc9f41 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Whoa, Steve. I disagree that A/C is a "must". I can agree with any other lesser appellation but "must" is a bit much. I seldom stick my oar in this water but I'll make this one of the exceptions. I have over 1800 hours on my IVP which I've flown all over the U.S. for almost thirteen years and I'm not air conditioned. Give some thought to where you'll be doing most of your flying, why you're flying there, when you're flying there, who you are flying with and if you or your passengers have to be 100% comfortable every moment you're in the plane. After you've done that and the answer is still yes, by all means install it. I admit to being uncomfortable when I was flying in to Brownsville, TX regularly some years ago, and on some of the other trips south as far as the Cayman Islands. However, it doesn't last long and I haven't had warm air out of my third intercooler that was noticeable to me. Early on, though, in about 1968, I had an expensive gold film applied to the inside of my windows with the exception of a viewing field through the front windshield--the rest of the windshield, being the top 30% and about 4" down each side has the film. The film was represented as being able to substantially reduce UV radiation, which I cannot measure, but I can tell you that the drop in temperature inside the plane was very noticeable to my wife and me when we were in a warm environment and I was satisfied. The film was applied by a specialist at the Van Nuys airport, the only place that I could find to do it. Interestingly, when flying in certain types of hazy conditions my visibility through the haze is better looking through the film than not, and I can compare. Yesterday I flew down to Dallas from my base in Ohio, and returned home today. The temperature each day in Dallas was supposedly well over 100 degrees. I needed a touch of heat on the high legs and didn't linger down low but hey, we didn't buy IVP's to linger down low, did we? I really like Fred Moreno's suggestion about insulating the line from the third intercooler, though, and even though I haven't thought it to be a problem it might provide a little help, just like my gold film ($1700, 11 years ago, if you're thinking of asking.) I will do it. Carl La Rue N 299 KT On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 7:25 PM, Steve Buller wrote: > So... I understand A/C is a must for the IVP. What about the non P guys > building? Any thoughts? > > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of > Janie & Ed Smith > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 12:48 PM > To: lml@lancaironline.net > Subject: [LML] A/C Systems > > "So, for you builders who were like me, I encourage you to take a page > from my retrospective lesson book and consider installing the A/C while > it's easier, while the engine and airframe are not finished" > > Jeff, > > I agree 100%! The A/C system we installed has been a necessity - not a > luxury. When we were building, Janie (better half) insisted on > installing A/C and now I am glad she was so insistent! Our Virginia > weather this time of the year (90 degrees - 90% humidity) makes it > mandatory. I promise anyone that if they do install the A/C, they won't > be sorry. The only thing I would suggest is to be frugal with costs > when selecting a system. The systems out there on the market are pretty > much street rod systems and they don't cost $5-8K! A little bit of > research will save money for other "goodies". > > Ed Smith > N9JE > Chesapeake, VA > > > -- > For archives and unsub > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html > > -- > For archives and unsub > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html > --00163649918b3042b5046edc9f41 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Whoa, Steve.=A0 I disagree that A/C is a "must".=A0 I can agree w= ith any other lesser appellation but "must" is a bit much.=A0 I s= eldom stick my oar in this water but I'll make this one of the exceptio= ns.=A0 I have over 1800 hours on my IVP which I've flown all over the U= .S. for almost thirteen years and I'm not air conditioned.=A0 Give some= thought to where you'll be doing most of your flying, why you're f= lying there, when you're flying there, who you are flying with and if y= ou or your passengers have to be 100% comfortable every=A0 moment you'r= e in the plane.=A0 After you've done that and the answer is still yes, = by all means install it.

I admit to being uncomfortable when I was flying in to Brownsville, TX = regularly some years ago, and on some of the other trips south as far as th= e Cayman Islands.=A0 However, it doesn't last long and I haven't ha= d warm air out of my third intercooler that was noticeable to me.=A0 Early = on, though, in about 1968, I had an expensive gold film applied to the insi= de of my windows with the exception of a viewing field through the front wi= ndshield--the rest of the windshield, being the top 30% and about 4" d= own each side has the film.=A0 The film was represented as being able to su= bstantially reduce UV radiation, which I cannot measure, but I can tell you= that the drop in temperature inside the plane was very noticeable to my wi= fe and me when we were in a warm environment and I was satisfied.

The film was applied by a specialist at the Van Nuys airport, the only = place that I could find to do it.=A0 Interestingly, when flying in certain = types of hazy conditions my visibility through the haze is better looking t= hrough the film than not, and I can compare.

Yesterday I flew down to Dallas from my base in Ohio, and returned home= today.=A0 The temperature each day in Dallas was supposedly well over 100 = degrees.=A0 I needed a touch of heat on the high legs and didn't linger= down low but hey, we didn't buy IVP's to linger down low, did we?= =A0

I really like Fred Moreno's suggestion about insulating the line fr= om the third intercooler, though, and even though I haven't thought it = to be a problem it might provide a little help, just like my gold film ($17= 00, 11 years ago, if you're thinking of asking.)=A0 I will do it.

Carl La Rue
N 299 KT





On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 7:25 PM, Steve Buller <sbuller@emmett.org> wrote:<= br>
So... I understan= d A/C is a must for the IVP. What about the non P guys
building? Any thoughts?

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of
Janie & Ed Smith
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 12:48 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] A/C Systems

"So, for you builders who were like me, I encourage you to take a page=
from my retrospective lesson book and consider installing the A/C while
it's easier, while the engine and airframe are not finished"

Jeff,

I agree 100%! =A0The A/C system we installed has been a necessity - not a luxury. =A0When we were building, Janie (better half) insisted on
installing A/C and now I am glad she was so insistent! =A0Our Virginia
weather this time of the year (90 degrees - 90% humidity) makes it
mandatory. =A0I promise anyone that if they do install the A/C, they won= 9;t
be sorry. =A0The only thing I would suggest is to be frugal with costs
when selecting a system. =A0The systems out there on the market are pretty<= br> much street rod systems and they don't cost $5-8K! =A0A little bit of research will save money for other "goodies".

Ed Smith
N9JE
Chesapeake, VA


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