X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:38:30 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from QMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.64] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.14) with ESMTP id 3757699 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:37:24 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=76.96.30.64; envelope-from=j.hafen@comcast.net Received: from OMTA24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.92]) by QMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Fxme1c00F1zF43QA7yco4v; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:36:48 +0000 Received: from [10.0.1.196] ([98.247.30.133]) by OMTA24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id FyeC1c00U2sKoey8kyeDYn; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:38:15 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.17.0.090302 X-Original-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:36:44 -0700 Subject: Re: [LML] Trailering a 360 From: John Hafen X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List X-Original-Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [LML] Trailering a 360 Thread-Index: AcoE05Bbxl6FDNU3C06PpmNZ1xulxw== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3330430607_129868" > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3330430607_129868 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Have you guys ever considered finishing the planes and just flying them fro= m point to point, rather than dragging them around on a trailer? I know there are advantages of the whole trailer thing =8B truck stops, hot coffee, public restrooms. And you can pull over for a nap anytime you want= . And you don=B9t have to worry about weather etc. But having done both the trailer thing and flying, you may want to consider the flying thing;) John Hafen On 7/14/09 10:35 AM, "rwolf99@aol.com" wrote: > I've posted how I do this on at least two occasions. Here is what I wrot= e. > This time I included a picture of Dan Olsen's airplane on my trailer. He= 's in > the foreground, watching me in the green jacket do all the work... ;-) >=20 > - Rob Wolf >=20 > ***************** > I consider myself the world's most experienced person at transporting a 3= 60 by > road. I have moved my airplane from Cleveland to SoCal to NoCal to SoCal= to > Denver and numerous shorter trips as well. >=20 > I use a dual-wide snowmobile trailer. This trailer cost me $750 brand ne= w in > 1996. My modifications to it were minor, consisting of bolting chocks in > strateigc places and tie down rings in other strategic places. I also bo= lted > an ammo can to the trailer tongue -- 75 pounds in the box is needed when = the > trailer is empty to keep the tongue weight right. >=20 > Some things to remember. >=20 > 1) It doesn't matter when you do this -- it WILL rain on your airplane. = Wrap > it up with 4 mil polyethylene sheet (or equivalent) from Home Depot. Use= lots > of tape. Plan on stopping at least twice in the first couple of hours to= tape > down flapping plastic. Use a tarp for the engfine compartment. >=20 > 2) Use BLACK plastic to eliminate UV exposure, unless your airplane is > painted or in primer. >=20 > 3) A stretch net (for pick up truck beds) is good over the canopy area. >=20 > 4) I replace the folding main landing gear links with a 1/2 x 1 inch alu= minum > bar. The bar extends slightly outboard of the gear strut. A shackle goe= s > there and is the anchor point for a come-along. >=20 > 5) The lower engine mount is used for two come-along straps. I cannot > trailer with the cowling installed. >=20 > 6) The aircraft is restrained from moving fore and aft by large chocks c= ut > from a 4 x 4. These are bolted thru the plywood floor of the trailer. I > unbolt the aft chock to roll the plane on, then bolt it back on. Smaller > wooden pieces (2 x 2, I think) go alongside the tire on the inside to kee= p it > from skittering sideways. >=20 > 7) The nosewheel rides on a metal center piece to which the plywood is > attached. The trailer came that way. >=20 > 8) The plywood trailer floor tends to sink at the main wheels. Screw on= a 2 > x 2 to the plywood underneath the wheels to limt the sinking of the plywo= od. >=20 > 9) The best way I've found to load the trailer is to make a set of ramps= with > three 2 x 12s. Don't build anything -- just lay one end of the 2x12 on t= he > trailer and the other end on the ground. Have at least two other people = to > help. >=20 > I have towed this 2000 miles with a Honda Civic, and another 1000 miles w= ith a > Miata. It doesn't take a truck to do it, but now that I have one, that's= what > I use. > =20 > ***************** > Omigod I've done it over a dozen times. Once to the painter, sometimes t= o the > airport, sometimes over a thousand miles to a new home. >=20 > I bought a double wide snowmobile trailer and bolted down chocks and tie-= down > rings to the plywood floor in strategic places. Yes, it's a tilt-bed, bu= t > it's easier to use ramps. I use three 2x12s 12 feet long. One under eac= h > wheel. Any shorter and the tail will scrape the ground. >=20 > You may need tongue weight with the plane off the trailer. I find 75 pou= nds > on the trailer neck works well. I have an ammo can U-bolted to the neck = and > shot bags are either in there or not. A side benefit is if you put the s= hot > bags on the back end of the trailer, you can pick the trailer up and whee= l it > around with one hand. >=20 > I replace the folding main gear links with a similar sized aluminum bar. = The > bar extends outboard far enough to attach a clevis. This ring is for one= end > of a tiedown strap. The other end goes to a strategically placed tiedown= ring > on the trailer floor. >=20 > Chocks in front of and behind the main tires keep it from rolling. (Yes,= you > bolt the back one on AFTER the airplane is in place.) Two by two "chocks= " are > along the inner side of the main wheel to keep the plane from skittering > sideways. >=20 > The nose is held down by tiedown straps around the lower part of the engi= ne > mount. I have never trailered it with the cowling on. >=20 > If it's a one-day trip, skip wrapping it up. Otherwise, use black 4-mil > polyethylene sheet (Home Depot) and lots of packing tape to keep it dry a= nd to > keep the UV off. Unless it's painted, of course, and then you don't have= to > worry. Plan on stopping twice in the first hour or so to retape the loos= e > flapping things that you missed. An elastic mesh net can help out over t= he > canopy. I think these are intended for pickup trucks. >=20 > I have towed this 1500 miles with a Honda CRX. Again 1250 miles with a M= azda > Miata. Both worked fine. But now I prefer to use my wife's 3/4 ton dies= el > truck. >=20 > Oh, and the wings travel separately. > =20 >=20 > What's for dinner tonight? Find quick and easy dinner ideas > for any > occasion.=20 >=20 >=20 > -- > For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.ht= ml --B_3330430607_129868 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [LML] Trailering a 360 Have you guys ever considered finishing the planes and just flying them fr= om point to point, rather than dragging them around on a trailer?

I know there are advantages of the whole trailer thing — truck stops,= hot coffee, public restrooms.  And you can pull over for a nap anytime= you want.  And you don’t have to worry about weather etc.  = But having done both the trailer thing and flying, you may want to consider = the flying thing;)

John Hafen


On 7/14/09 10:35 AM, "rwolf99@aol.com&qu= ot; <rwolf99@aol.com> wrote:

<= SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:11pt'>I've posted how I do this on at least two occasi= ons.  Here is what I wrote.  This time I included a picture of Dan= Olsen's airplane on my trailer.  He's in the foreground, watching me i= n the green jacket do all the work...  ;-)

- Rob Wolf

*****************
I consider myself the world's most experienced person at transpo= rting a 360 by road.  I have moved my airplane from Cleveland to SoCal = to NoCal to SoCal to Denver and numerous shorter trips as well.

I use a dual-wide snowmobile trailer.  This trailer cost me $750 brand= new in 1996.  My modifications to it were minor, consisting of bolting= chocks in strateigc places and tie down rings in other strategic places. &n= bsp;I also bolted an ammo can to the trailer tongue -- 75 pounds in the box = is needed when the trailer is empty to keep the tongue weight right.

Some things to remember.

1)  It doesn't matter when you do this -- it WILL rain on your airplan= e.  Wrap it up with 4 mil polyethylene sheet (or equivalent) from Home = Depot.  Use lots of tape.  Plan on stopping at least twice in the = first couple of hours to tape down flapping plastic.  Use a tarp for th= e engfine compartment.

2)  Use BLACK plastic to eliminate UV exposure, unless your airplane i= s painted or in primer.

3)  A stretch net (for pick up truck beds) is good over the canopy are= a.

4)  I replace the folding main landing gear links with a 1/2 x 1 inch = aluminum bar.  The bar extends slightly outboard of the gear strut. &nb= sp;A shackle goes there and is the anchor point for a come-along.

5)  The lower engine mount is used for two come-along straps.  I = cannot trailer with the cowling installed.

6)  The aircraft is restrained from moving fore and aft by large chock= s cut from a 4 x 4.  These are bolted thru the plywood floor of the tra= iler.  I unbolt the aft chock to roll the plane on, then bolt it back o= n.  Smaller wooden pieces (2 x 2, I think) go alongside the tire on the= inside to keep it from skittering sideways.

7)  The nosewheel rides on a metal center piece to which the plywood i= s attached.  The trailer came that way.

8)  The plywood trailer floor tends to sink at the main wheels.  = Screw on a 2 x 2 to the plywood underneath the wheels to limt the sinking of= the plywood.

9)  The best way I've found to load the trailer is to make a set of ra= mps with three 2 x 12s.  Don't build anything -- just lay one end of th= e 2x12 on the trailer and the other end on the ground.  Have at least t= wo other people to help.

I have towed this 2000 miles with a Honda Civic, and another 1000 miles wit= h a Miata.  It doesn't take a truck to do it, but now that I have one, = that's what I use.
 
*****************
Omigod I've done it over a dozen times.  Once to the painter, sometime= s to the airport, sometimes over a thousand miles to a new home.

I bought a double wide snowmobile trailer and bolted down chocks and tie-do= wn rings to the plywood floor in strategic places.  Yes, it's a tilt-be= d, but it's easier to use ramps.  I use three 2x12s 12 feet long.  = ;One under each wheel.  Any shorter and the tail will scrape the ground= .

You may need tongue weight with the plane off the trailer.  I find 75 = pounds on the trailer neck works well.  I have an ammo can U-bolted to = the neck and shot bags are either in there or not.  A side benefit is i= f you put the shot bags on the back end of the trailer, you can pick the tra= iler up and wheel it around with one hand.

I replace the folding main gear links with a similar sized aluminum bar. &n= bsp;The bar extends outboard far enough to attach a clevis.  This ring = is for one end of a tiedown strap.  The other end goes to a strategical= ly placed tiedown ring on the trailer floor.

Chocks in front of and behind the main tires keep it from rolling.  (Y= es, you bolt the back one on AFTER the airplane is in place.)  Two by t= wo "chocks" are along the inner side of the main wheel to keep the= plane from skittering sideways.

The nose is held down by tiedown straps around the lower part of the engine= mount.  I have never trailered it with the cowling on.

If it's a one-day trip, skip wrapping it up.  Otherwise, use black 4-m= il polyethylene sheet (Home Depot) and lots of packing tape to keep it dry a= nd to keep the UV off.  Unless it's painted, of course, and then you do= n't have to worry.  Plan on stopping twice in the first hour or so to r= etape the loose flapping things that you missed.  An elastic mesh net c= an help out over the canopy.  I think these are intended for pickup tru= cks.

I have towed this 1500 miles with a Honda CRX.  Again 1250 miles with = a Mazda Miata.  Both worked fine.  But now I prefer to use my wife= 's 3/4 ton diesel truck.

Oh, and the wings travel separately.
What's for dinner tonight?  Fin= d quick and easy dinner ideas <http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?ncid=3Demlcntu= sfood00000007>  for any occasion.

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