X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 09:11:29 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.32] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.14) with ESMTP id 3756705 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 03:48:55 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=76.96.30.32; envelope-from=j.hafen@comcast.net Received: from OMTA11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.36]) by QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Fjmc1c0020mlR8UA3joKcG; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 07:48:19 +0000 Received: from [10.0.1.196] ([98.247.30.133]) by OMTA11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id FjoH1c0012sKoey8XjoHF5; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 07:48:19 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.17.0.090302 X-Original-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 00:48:15 -0700 Subject: Planes, Trains, Jacks, and Jills, and E&O Insurance From: John Hafen X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List X-Original-Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Planes, Trains, Jacks, and Jills, and E&O Insurance Thread-Index: AcoEV3G3gaPbnA+LSUaf4n0NQN8BkQ== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3330377298_127685" > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3330377298_127685 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I think if I were in the business of sending people around the country to jack up airplanes and inspect them, I might spring for some really solid Errors and Omissions insurance, just in case. Not to minimize the excitement/fear of jacking up an airplane. I=B9ve done i= t alone many times, several times just trying to figure a way to make the =B3retractable=B2 step actually work, before I finally gave up and disconnected the cable and just locked it down. Lowering the plane, especially when you=B9re the only guy in the hangar, is equally hair raising. Lower one side just a little, hear the fuel swish to the lower wing, lower the other side, hear the fuel run the other way. That=B9s where all my gray hair came from. Conventional =B3wisdom=B2 is that everyone who flies retractable will eventuall= y land gear up. I think I=B9m personally more likely to knock my bird off the jacks and ram one right through something very important than to land gear up. I think. I hope. I think I hope. I hope I think. Not sure. I will confess to always having the tail and both wing tips supported before ever getting in the bird while jacked up. John Hafen IVP 413AJ 150 hours On 7/13/09 8:50 PM, "Michael D. Smith" wrote: > Craig, > =20 > No kidding on this one. If I paid some professional to do a task and he > represented himself as the pro and willingly took on the job and the cont= ract > was that he would do it then he is responsible. If the job requires cer= tain > skills and equipment then it is up to him to apply the standard. Sorry, = no > complex interpretation here. > =20 > =20 > Michael Smith >=20 > From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Cr= aig > Gainza > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 8:43 PM > To: lml@lancaironline.net > Subject: [LML] Re: > =20 > inspection prudence would suggest they were required in fact to assure th= e > jacks and lifting mechanism of whatever type and the people involved were > competent> >=20 > You have got to be kidding me! >=20 > =20 >=20 --B_3330377298_127685 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Planes, Trains, Jacks, and Jills, and E&O Insurance I think if I were in the business of sending people around the country to = jack up airplanes and inspect them, I might spring for some really solid Err= ors and Omissions insurance, just in case.

Not to minimize the excitement/fear of jacking up an airplane.  I̵= 7;ve done it alone many times, several times just trying to figure a way to = make the “retractable” step actually work, before I finally gave= up and disconnected the cable and just locked it down.

Lowering the plane, especially when you’re the only guy in the hangar= , is equally hair raising.  Lower one side just a little, hear the fuel= swish to the lower wing, lower the other side, hear the fuel run the other = way.  That’s where all my gray hair came from.

Conventional “wisdom” is that everyone who flies retractable wi= ll eventually land gear up.  I think I’m personally more likely t= o knock my bird off the jacks and ram one right through something very impor= tant than to land gear up.  I think.  I hope.  I think I hope= .  I hope I think.  Not sure.  I will confess to always havin= g the tail and both wing tips supported before ever getting in the bird whil= e jacked up.

John Hafen
IVP 413AJ 150 hours


On 7/13/09 8:50 PM, "Michael D. Smith" <mdpilot982@gmail.com> wrote:

<= SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:11pt'>Craig,
 
No kidding on this one.  If I paid some professional to do a task and = he represented himself as the pro and willingly took on the job and the cont= ract was that he would do it then he is  responsible.  If the job = requires certain skills and equipment then it is up to him to apply the stan= dard.  Sorry, no complex interpretation here.
 
 
Michael Smith

From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf O= f Craig Gainza
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 8:43 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re:

<if Lancair or the agent of Lancair=  were setting out to do an off site inspection prudence would suggest = they were required in fact to assure the jacks and lifting mechanism of what= ever type and the people involved were competen= t>
You have got to be kidding me!  


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