X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:56:57 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from web62501.mail.re1.yahoo.com ([69.147.75.93] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.14) with SMTP id 3756159 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:17:25 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=69.147.75.93; envelope-from=charliekohler@yahoo.com Received: (qmail 33043 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jul 2009 20:16:50 -0000 DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=5L4te7Fn30JOmTObx8HgCK9Mi4mLCR3neJNUWrzBG/DB5Nx2SHkFjqgVZdW4s7LHlLU9MFn/YqXi9lqOfgiiETWBKWYv7MkJMuNxD1qNLh/3Wib/1fmvL/+d7UsFRciMBj5Ws1BAS8O5ApBCPDPgT9qAIX475PVCIAl1Bs2/pI8=; X-Original-Message-ID: <558944.19630.qm@web62501.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: QvlJ4gUVM1kf_YitCDrmdz9_MQCIMy4OE4yq8xKmHlRum7eCMD1v12dh_ocM3AcgmrsutN7yvyorG8tYkwUkA3d2.8mliwKOdVXkjOyNUQ0TkZS7x3rWveuPJx9jYMLZ4Snyf1ry0VVflOw0jJhhVgo4uy6jq7zbX8P2Liy7NNRh97wfDrrzi.VSDcShHcZ104Ll0pReeaV07_HAIItyFw.FDzxkJFy77qu3_VhhHKwHX4X3yRq63z7HJ8.6dKoZrYvagDKHVcU9D.Szda3fQe9XAUeHLUcn8Fn6l73kxmVrKxbsL1ehkkoCoB2P9ohsHc2_o9O.Oz0Blndx8Hg- Received: from [97.104.160.94] by web62501.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:16:50 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1358.21 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 References: X-Original-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:16:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Charlie Kohler Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Lancair Insurance Inspection - you be the judge... X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1052079622-1247516210=:19630" --0-1052079622-1247516210=:19630 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here is the STATE OF THE INSURABILITY=C2=A0 for Lancairs' TODAY.=0A=0AAIG a= nd Aerospace are the only two Company's offering insurance on Lancair IV, I= VP. =0A=0A=0ALiability is about $1000 with AIG and about $2,000-$2,500 with= Aerospace. Hull rates are ranging from 2.75% to 5.00% dependent on the pil= ot qualifications. I would say on a 1500 hour instrument rated pilot with o= ver 500 retract time you could use 3.5% hull rate plus liability. Both have= 10% deductables.=0A=0AFalcon, AIM and AIR are all agent/brokers and go to = the same markets. Service and experience is really the primary difference.= =0A=0A=0AHull--Either company =C2=A0(=E2=80=93 10% ded)=C2=A0(for the above= mentioned pilot) =C2=A0=C2=A03.5% X $300000. =3D $10500.=0A=C2=A0=0A+AIG $= 1000 Liability =0A+Aerospace $2500 Liability=0A=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0Char= lie K=E2=80=99s Inspection 2 days @ $750 =3D=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0$= 1500=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Initial - Conditi= on (resale)=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0Lancairs Inspection=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 $3800 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0( Recur= rent-resale???)=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=0ABottom line Initial ;=0A=C2=A0AIG=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0$10500 HULL 10% deductable=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0$1000=C2=A0=C2=A0 Liability Ins=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0$2995=C2=A0=C2=A0 HPAT =C2=A0=0A=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0$3800=C2=A0 =C2=A0Lancair = Inspection =C2=A0(No FAA Certificate)=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0$18295=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 =0AAerospace=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 $10500 HULL 10% deductable=0A=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0$2500=C2=A0=C2=A0 Liability= Ins=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 $1500=C2=A0 = =C2=A0Charlie K. Flight training=C2=A0 (2 days--=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0$1850=C2=A0 =C2=A0Charlie K. Inspection (2 days= & FAA Certification=C2=A0 =0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0$1635= 0=0A=C2=A0Recurrent is;=0AHPAT annual training=C2=A0$995 / Charlie K's Recu= rrent - =C2=BD day=C2=A0 $375=0AGo with Aerospace and you are able to pick = your Inspector / instructor and training environment. =0ACharlie can refer = instructors/ inspectors in=C2=A0various locations.=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=0AAIG res= tricts you to Lancair and HPAT.=0A=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=0AALL NUMBERS ARE APPROXI= MATE=C2=A0 Check with your agent.=0A=C2=A0=0ACharlie K.=0A=0ASee me on the = web at =0Awww.Lancair-IV.com=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_____________________________= ___=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Bill Edwards [mailto:w= pedwards@hilgardhouse.com] =0AI'm sure that Lancair knows that the amount o= f damage is too small to interest an attorney, and small claims suits have = to be served in California.=C2=A0 I have no legal recourse but I thought ot= her IVP owners would like to know Lancair company policies with regard to i= nspection damage.=0AFrom:Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net= ] On Behalf Of Colyn Case at earthlink=0A=0Avery sorry to hear that.=0AI gu= ess there is a difference between being commercially correct and legally co= rrect.=0AHopefully the former will eventually prevail. --0-1052079622-1247516210=:19630 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Here is the STATE OF THE INSURABILITY  for Lan= cairs' TODAY.
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AIG and Aerospace are the only two Company's offering insurance on Lanca= ir IV, IVP.

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Liability is about $1000 with AIG and about $2,000-$2,500 w= ith Aerospace. Hull<= /st1:place> rates are ranging from 2.75% to 5.00% dependent on t= he pilot qualifications. I would say on a 1500 hour instrument rated= pilot with over 500 retract time you could use 3.5% hull rate plus liabili= ty. Both have 10% deductables.

Falcon, AIM and AIR are all agent/bro= kers and go to the same markets. Service and experience is really the prima= ry difference.

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Hull-- E= ither company  (=E2=80=93 10%= ded) (for the above mentioned pilot= )   3.5% X $30000= 0. =3D $10500.

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+AIG $1000 Liability

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+Aerospace $2500 Liability

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 Char= lie K=E2=80=99s Inspection 2 days @ $750 =3D     $1500         Initial - C= ondition (resale) 

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 = ;Lancairs Inspection   &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;      $3800        ( Recurrent-resale?= ??)

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Bottom line Initial ;

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 AIG           =             &nb= sp;                $10500 HULL 10% deductable=

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  =             &nb= sp;            =                 = ;     $1000   Liability Ins

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     &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;                 $2995=    HPAT  

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      <= SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">    $3800   Lancai= r Inspection  (No FAA Certifi= cate)

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           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;       =    $18295

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     &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;    

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Aerospace&nb= sp;          &nb= sp;                  $= 10500 HULL 10% deductable

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              = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;   <= SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">     $2500   Liability Ins

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    &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =      $1500&nbs= p;  Charlie K. Flight = training  (2 days--

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&nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;     &= nbsp;  $1850   

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    =             &nb= sp;            =                 $16350=

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Recurrent= is;

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HPAT annual training $995 / Charlie K's Recurrent - =C2=BD day  $375

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Go with Aerospace and you are able to pick your In= spector / instructor and training environment.

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Charlie can refer instructors/ inspectors in various locations= . 

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=0AFrom:= Bill Edwards [mailto:wpedwards@hilgardhouse.com]
I'm= sure that Lancair knows that the amount of damage is too small to interest= an attorney, and small claims suits have to be served in California. = I have no legal recourse but I thought other IVP owners would like to know= Lancair company policies with regard to inspection damage.
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From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Be= half Of Colyn Case at earthlink

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I guess there is a difference between being commercially correct and leg= ally correct.

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