X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:43:33 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [69.146.254.20] (HELO arilabs.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.14) with ESMTP id 3755488 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:23:29 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=69.146.254.20; envelope-from=Kevin@arilabs.net Subject: RE: [LML] AW: Belly Landing L-360 Video MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA03C5.67BA8D13" Content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-Original-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:22:51 -0600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 X-Original-Message-ID: <7141427652BB3049A7DBF1084B67805B1E348D@penumbra.arilabs.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [LML] AW: Belly Landing L-360 Video Thread-Index: AcoDOvmqsElA9RwoS5aA9pw8gwH8RAAiTQ/Q From: "Kevin Stallard" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA03C5.67BA8D13 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So the owner made a change, didn't test it and then had someone else fly = the plane? Interesting...the more facts that come to light, the worse = it gets. =20 I wouldn't be so hard on the guy, except it is stuff like this that = either increases my costs, makes it hard or it may one day make it = impossible for me to fly my plane or worse it actually kills people. So = (with all due respect) you're dang right I'm going to look at something = dumb and say something about it.=20 =20 Kevin =20 ________________________________ From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = Johannes Schredl Sent: 2009-07-12 15:52 To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] AW: Belly Landing L-360 Video =20 Kevin, =20 I gave this information to share experience, to impove safety and to = avoid (wrong) speculation concerning this accident! One more fact: the test pilot is NOT the owner - that=B4s why I think HE = did a perfect job! And: I will not claim to judge this mishappening! =20 Johannes =20 =20 ________________________________ Von: Kevin Stallard [mailto:Kevin@arilabs.net]=20 Gesendet: Sonntag, 12. Juli 2009 01:46 An: lml@lancaironline.net Betreff: RE: Belly Landing L-360 Video Wow! =20 =20 All this congratulations for something that could have been completely = avoided.=20 =20 No wonder we're having a hard time getting insurance. I can't believe = you guys are patting this guy on the back. A good reprimand is in = order. =20 =20 He should have never been in this position in the first place. All it = took was jacking up the airplane and doing a gear check. =20 The mentality has got to change folks or we aren't going to be able to = afford our insurance. =20 I'm not impressed. I hope he's man enough to pay for his engine and = prop repair with out insurance help. =20 =20 Kevin =20 =20 =20 ________________________________ From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = Johannes Schredl Sent: 2009-07-11 15:06 To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] AW: Belly Landing L-360 Video =20 Fellows, =20 I know the owner of the Lancair and spoke to him today: - as already mentioned: he replaced the screws of the hinge of the nose = gear door; the screws he used was too long (about 1/4" beyond ancour = nut) - hi did no gear check after replacing the srews :-(( - the hydraulic pressure was able to retract the gear (high power); = there was scratches of the screws at the nose gear fork - while lowering the gear, the nose gear was not able to "overcome" the = screw jam; the low pressure switch shut off hydraulic - any manouver like pulling high g etc. were not successful and the test = pilot decided to land on grass with all gear in (the airfield EDML has a = 3000ft concrete and parallel a 3000 ft grass strip) - watch the video to = see the landing - in my opinion a perfect job! - no injury to any person!!! - damages: - two propeller blades (wood MT prop) brake off - lower cowling serious damaged - XPDR antenna at belly broken off - scratches / damage to the rudder - nothing else!!! : no damage to the flaps, no damage to injector, = nearly no damage to exhaust system, nearly no damage to the belly (only = slight scratches) -> my opinion: it was the right decision to use the grass strip with all = gears up and flaps about +20=B0! This would be my favorite configuration = in any case of an emergency landing (no engine, gear problems etc.) too! = Any other configuration like "no gear on concrete"; "main gear only on = concrete"; "main gear only on grass" would cause more risk and damage! =20 Johannes=20 D-ESWS LNC2 =20 ________________________________ Von: John F. Herminghaus [mailto:catignano@tele2.it]=20 Gesendet: Freitag, 10. Juli 2009 13:50 An: lml@lancaironline.net Betreff: Re: [LML] Belly Landing L-360 Video The cause of the accident was that the owner, who I know, replaced the = screws in the nose gear door with stainless screws which were longer = than the ones they replaced. As a result the nose gear retracted, but = would not extend. =20 Tom McNerney ha scritto:=20 Not to flood this place with youtube links, but this is something I = think everyone should see. Check out the related videos of the plane on = the ground before/after the nose gear failure. =20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DkEWWQsWThxs =20 Tom =20 -- For archives and unsub = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA03C5.67BA8D13 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

So the owner made a change, = didn’t test it and then had someone else fly the plane?=A0 = Interesting…the more facts that come to light, the worse it = gets.

 

I wouldn’t be so hard on the = guy, except it is stuff like this that either increases my costs, makes it hard or = it may one day make it impossible for me to fly my plane or worse it actually = kills people.=A0 So (with all due respect) you’re dang right I’m = going to look at something dumb and say something about it. =

 

Kevin

 

From: Lancair Mailing = List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On = Behalf Of Johannes Schredl
Sent: 2009-07-12 = 15:52
To: = lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] AW: Belly = Landing L-360 Video

 

Kevin,

 

I gave this information to share experience, to impove safety and to avoid (wrong) speculation concerning = this accident!

One more fact: the test pilot is = NOT the owner - that=B4s why I think HE did a perfect job!

And: I will not claim to judge = this mishappening!

 

Johannes

 

 

Von: Kevin Stallard [mailto:Kevin@arilabs.net]
Gesendet: Sonntag, 12. = Juli 2009 01:46
An: = lml@lancaironline.net
Betreff: RE: Belly = Landing L-360 Video

Wow!  =

 

All this congratulations for = something that could have been completely avoided.

 

No wonder we’re having a hard = time getting insurance.  I can’t believe you guys are patting this = guy on the back.  A good reprimand is in order.  =

 

He should have never been in this = position in the first place.  All it took was jacking up the airplane and = doing a gear check.

 

The mentality has got to change = folks or we aren’t going to be able to afford our = insurance.

 

I’m not impressed.  I = hope he’s man enough to pay for his engine and prop repair with out = insurance help. 

 

Kevin

 

 

 

From: Lancair Mailing = List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On = Behalf Of Johannes Schredl
Sent: 2009-07-11 = 15:06
To: = lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] AW: Belly = Landing L-360 Video

 

Fellows,

 

I know the owner of the Lancair and = spoke to him today:

- as already mentioned: he replaced = the screws of the hinge of the nose gear door; the screws he used was = too long (about 1/4" beyond ancour nut)

- hi did no gear check after replacing the srews :-((

- the hydraulic pressure was able = to retract the gear (high power); there was scratches of the screws at the = nose gear fork

- while lowering the gear, the nose = gear was not able to "overcome" the screw jam; the low pressure = switch shut off hydraulic

- any manouver like pulling high g etc. were not successful and the test pilot decided to land = on grass with all gear in (the airfield EDML has a 3000ft concrete and parallel a 3000 ft grass strip) - watch the video to = see the landing - in my opinion a perfect job!

- no injury to any = person!!!

- = damages:

   - two propeller blades (wood  MT prop) brake off

   - lower cowling = serious damaged

   - XPDR antenna at belly broken off

   - scratches / damage = to the rudder

   - nothing = else!!! : no damage to the flaps, no damage to injector, nearly no damage to exhaust = system, nearly no damage to the belly (only slight = scratches)

-> my opinion: it was the right decision to use the grass strip with all gears up and flaps about = +20=B0! This would be my favorite configuration in any case of an emergency landing = (no engine, gear problems etc.) too! Any other configuration like "no = gear on concrete"; "main gear only on concrete"; = "main gear only on grass" would cause more risk and = damage!

 

Johannes =

D-ESWS = LNC2

 

Von: John F. Herminghaus [mailto:catignano@tele2.it]
Gesendet: Freitag, 10. = Juli 2009 13:50
An: = lml@lancaironline.net
Betreff: Re: [LML] Belly = Landing L-360 Video

The cause of the accident was that the owner, = who I know, replaced the screws in the nose gear door with stainless screws = which were longer than the ones they replaced.  As a result the nose gear retracted, but would not extend. 

Tom McNerney ha scritto: 

Not to flood this place with youtube links, =
but this is something I think everyone should see.  Check out the =
related videos of the plane on the ground before/after the nose gear =
failure.
 
http://www.youtube.=
com/watch?v=3DkEWWQsWThxs
 
Tom
 
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