X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:43:33 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [64.12.137.7] (HELO imo-m26.mail.aol.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.14) with ESMTP id 3755595 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:07:59 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.137.7; envelope-from=VTAILJEFF@aol.com Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imo-m26.mail.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-44a5b4d1518e; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:04:53 -0400 Received: from VTAILJEFF@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id q.cc1.58ab9cbd (37119) for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:06:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-mc02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-mc02.mx.aol.com [64.12.95.98]) by cia-ma01.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA015-d3d54a5b4d88187; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:06:53 -0400 Received: from webmail-dh02 (webmail-dh02.sim.aol.com [205.188.94.162]) by smtprly-mc02.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMC027-d3d54a5b4d88187; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:06:48 -0400 References: X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [LML] Re: L IVP on jacks X-Original-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:06:48 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.202 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: vtailjeff@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CBD1E2ADE1F15A_59C_443_webmail-dh02.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 43735-STANDARD Received: from 76.232.226.219 by webmail-dh02.sysops.aol.com (205.188.94.162) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:06:48 -0400 X-Original-Message-Id: <8CBD1E2ADCEDE8A-59C-204@webmail-dh02.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO ----------MB_8CBD1E2ADE1F15A_59C_443_webmail-dh02.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Bill, Sorry to hear about your misfortune. As to jacking the IVP --an engine hoi= st IMHO is asking for trouble. Also, the narrow spread between the two for= ward jack points causes a lot of left/right rolling while on the jacks. Ha= ving the airplane supported by the jackpoints under=C2=A0 the forward spar= and=C2=A0an engine hoist that can only provide an upward force=C2=A0is li= ke balancing the airplane on a beachball. This is not the first IV to fall= off the jacks. =C2=A0I built a tail jack that has an adapter that screws= into the=C2=A0tail tie down receptacle. This stabilizes the aircraft nice= ly fore and aft and=C2=A0prevents the aircraft from pitching up and down.= =C2=A0=C2=A0 Best regards, Jeff Edwards -----Original Message----- From: Bill Edwards To: lml@lancaironline.net Sent: Mon, Jul 13, 2009 7:32 am Subject: [LML] Re: L IVP on jacks Art, the Lancair inspector put a heavy bench with tires under the tail.=C2= =A0 It was pretty well supported I thought.=C2=A0 However, when I personal= ly the plane up on jacks in my hanger,=C2=A0 I used a large engine hoist= and held the tail up with a heavy duty horse belly band with a test stren= gth of several thousand pounds.=C2=A0 It was easy to jack up and let down,= and if worse came to worse the plane would stay in the air without the wi= ng jacks at all. =C2=A0 I believe that even though I provided assistance,=C2=A0 Lancair was liable= because they were in charge of the plane.=C2=A0 However=E2=80=A6if in the= unlikely event that I should ever be involved in a Lancair inspection again,=C2=A0 I wouldn't co= me within 20 miles of the event.=C2=A0 Bill =C2=A0 From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Art= Bertolina Sent: 07/12/2009 2:52 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] L IVP on jacks =C2=A0 Bill sorry to hear of your misfortune with the inspection. Something that may be of help for those putting their planes on jacks in the future. Along with the jacks and engine hoist I use= a tail support that stops the tail from swinging back and forth( which makes it more probable the plane will come off the jacks). The support consists of=C2=A0two 10'=C2=A0 2x4s with a 2' piece across the top to form a T put carpet on the cross member, an=C2=A0eye screw 2' from the bottom of each T. Take a cargo strap( I use a second for backup) to connect the eye screws, put the top of the T under either side of the horizontal stab. As the plane=C2=A0is jack up use the cargo strap to keep the T's snug under the stab. This setup will keep the tail from swinging back and forth. Don't forget to loosen this as you lower the plane. Bill yours is the only experience I have heard=C2=A0about the inspection, not= a store to instill confidence. If you have an inspection and don't provide any assistance would they accept responsibility for damage and repair. Art=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ----------MB_8CBD1E2ADE1F15A_59C_443_webmail-dh02.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Bill,

Sorry to hear about your misfortune. As to jacking the IVP --an engine hoi= st IMHO is asking for trouble. Also, the narrow spread between the two for= ward jack points causes a lot of left/right rolling while on the jacks. Ha= ving the airplane supported by the jackpoints under  the forward spar= and an engine hoist that can only provide an upward force is li= ke balancing the airplane on a beachball. This is not the first IV to fall= off the jacks.  I built a tail jack that has an adapter that screws= into the tail tie down receptacle. This stabilizes the aircraft nice= ly fore and aft and prevents the aircraft from pitching up and down.&= nbsp; 

Best regards,

Jeff Edwards


-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Edwards <wpedwards@hilgardhouse.com>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Mon, Jul 13, 2009 7:32 am
Subject: [LML] Re: L IVP on jacks