X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:51:49 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from fmmailgate03.web.de ([217.72.192.234] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.14) with ESMTP id 3754719 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 16:49:58 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=217.72.192.234; envelope-from=jschredl@web.de Received: from smtp07.web.de (fmsmtp07.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.5.215]) by fmmailgate03.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CFE21050B9FB; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 22:49:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [91.12.119.187] (helo=HANSCore2Duo) by smtp07.web.de with asmtp (WEB.DE 4.110 #277) id 1MQ5z7-0004B2-00; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 22:49:21 +0200 Reply-To: From: "Johannes Schredl" X-Original-To: X-Original-Cc: "'Kevin Stallard'" References: Subject: AW: Belly Landing L-360 Video X-Original-Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 22:49:19 +0200 Organization: --- X-Original-Message-ID: <01350BE4B0164E76B9C6E7082C3267F2@HANSCore2Duo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0030_01CA0342.FEA0DB00" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcoDBRB7gnYyWeCLTuWL3yLplfsHBwAKqFag In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Original-Sender: jschredl@web.de X-Sender: jschredl@web.de X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19E/FWw3sjLJP3stT/9JxgFuzgRDVEfIP5sRwsR rQYJm3atL3mDTST/gAdTU+gGyv3bQpcDlAhZ9H7Nv3u8D5xiTt z0sAeKsz4= This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01CA0342.FEA0DB00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kevin, =20 I gave this information to share experience, to impove safety and to = avoid (wrong) speculation concerning this accident! One more fact: the test pilot is NOT the owner - that=B4s why I think HE = did a perfect job! And: I will not claim to judge this mishappening! =20 Johannes =20 _____ =20 Von: Kevin Stallard [mailto:Kevin@arilabs.net]=20 Gesendet: Sonntag, 12. Juli 2009 01:46 An: lml@lancaironline.net Betreff: RE: Belly Landing L-360 Video Wow! =20 =20 All this congratulations for something that could have been completely avoided.=20 =20 No wonder we=92re having a hard time getting insurance. I can=92t = believe you guys are patting this guy on the back. A good reprimand is in order. =20 =20 He should have never been in this position in the first place. All it = took was jacking up the airplane and doing a gear check. =20 The mentality has got to change folks or we aren=92t going to be able to afford our insurance. =20 I=92m not impressed. I hope he=92s man enough to pay for his engine and = prop repair with out insurance help. =20 =20 Kevin =20 =20 =20 _____ =20 From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Johannes Schredl Sent: 2009-07-11 15:06 To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] AW: Belly Landing L-360 Video =20 Fellows, =20 I know the owner of the Lancair and spoke to him today: - as already mentioned: he replaced the screws of the hinge of the nose = gear door; the screws he used was too long (about 1/4" beyond ancour nut) - hi did no gear check after replacing the srews :-(( - the hydraulic pressure was able to retract the gear (high power); = there was scratches of the screws at the nose gear fork - while lowering the gear, the nose gear was not able to "overcome" the screw jam; the low pressure switch shut off hydraulic - any manouver like pulling high g etc. were not successful and the test pilot decided to land on grass with all gear in (the airfield EDML has a 3000ft concrete and parallel a 3000 ft grass strip) - watch the video to = see the landing - in my opinion a perfect job! - no injury to any person!!! - damages: - two propeller blades (wood MT prop) brake off - lower cowling serious damaged - XPDR antenna at belly broken off - scratches / damage to the rudder - nothing else!!! : no damage to the flaps, no damage to injector, = nearly no damage to exhaust system, nearly no damage to the belly (only slight scratches) -> my opinion: it was the right decision to use the grass strip with all gears up and flaps about +20=B0! This would be my favorite configuration = in any case of an emergency landing (no engine, gear problems etc.) too! = Any other configuration like "no gear on concrete"; "main gear only on concrete"; "main gear only on grass" would cause more risk and damage! =20 Johannes=20 D-ESWS LNC2 =20 _____ =20 Von: John F. Herminghaus [mailto:catignano@tele2.it]=20 Gesendet: Freitag, 10. Juli 2009 13:50 An: lml@lancaironline.net Betreff: Re: [LML] Belly Landing L-360 Video The cause of the accident was that the owner, who I know, replaced the screws in the nose gear door with stainless screws which were longer = than the ones they replaced. As a result the nose gear retracted, but would = not extend. =20 Tom McNerney ha scritto:=20 Not to flood this place with youtube links, but this is something I = think everyone should see. Check out the related videos of the plane on the ground before/after the nose gear failure. =20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DkEWWQsWThxs =20 Tom =20 -- For archives and unsub = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01CA0342.FEA0DB00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Kevin,
 
I gave this information to share experience, = to impove=20 safety and to avoid (wrong) speculation concerning this=20 accident!
One more fact: the test pilot is NOT the = owner - that=B4s=20 why I think HE did a perfect job!
And: I will not claim to judge this=20 mishappening!
 
Johannes
 

Von: Kevin Stallard = [mailto:Kevin@arilabs.net]=20
Gesendet: Sonntag, 12. Juli 2009 01:46
An:=20 lml@lancaironline.net
Betreff: RE: Belly Landing L-360=20 Video

Wow! =20

 

All this=20 congratulations for something that could have been completely avoided.=20

 

No wonder = we=92re having=20 a hard time getting insurance.  I can=92t believe you guys are = patting this=20 guy on the back.  A good reprimand is in order. =20

 

He should = have never=20 been in this position in the first place.  All it took was jacking = up the=20 airplane and doing a gear check.

 

The mentality = has got=20 to change folks or we aren=92t going to be able to afford our=20 insurance.

 

I=92m not=20 impressed.  I hope he=92s man enough to pay for his engine and prop = repair=20 with out insurance help. 

 

Kevin

 

 

 

From: = Lancair Mailing List = [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net]=20 On Behalf Of Johannes=20 Schredl
Sent: = 2009-07-11=20 15:06
To:=20 lml@lancaironline.net
Subject:=20 [LML] AW: Belly Landing L-360 Video

 

Fellows,

 

I know the = owner of the=20 Lancair and spoke to him today:

- as already = mentioned:=20 he replaced the screws of the hinge of the nose gear door; the screws he = used was too long (about 1/4" beyond ancour=20 nut)

- hi did no = gear check=20 after replacing the srews :-((

- the = hydraulic=20 pressure was able to retract the gear (high power); there was scratches = of the=20 screws at the nose gear fork

- while = lowering the=20 gear, the nose gear was not able to "overcome" the screw jam; the low = pressure=20 switch shut off hydraulic

- any = manouver like=20 pulling high g etc. were not successful and the test = pilot decided to=20 land on grass with all gear in (the airfield EDML has a 3000ft = concrete and parallel a 3000 ft grass strip) - watch the video to = see the=20 landing - in my opinion a perfect job!

- no injury = to any=20 person!!!

-=20 damages:

   = - two=20 propeller blades (wood  MT prop) brake = off

   = - lower=20 cowling serious damaged

   = - XPDR=20 antenna at belly broken off

   = -=20 scratches / damage to the rudder

   = - nothing=20 else!!! : no damage to the flaps, no damage to injector, nearly no = damage=20 to exhaust system, nearly no damage to the belly (only slight=20 scratches)

-> my = opinion: it=20 was the right decision to use the grass strip with all gears up and = flaps about=20 +20=B0! This would be my favorite configuration in any case of an = emergency=20 landing (no engine, gear problems etc.) too! Any other configuration = like "no=20 gear on concrete"; "main gear only on concrete"; "main gear = only on=20 grass" would cause more risk and damage!

 

Johannes=20

D-ESWS=20 LNC2

 

Von: John F.=20 Herminghaus [mailto:catignano@tele2.it]
Gesendet: Freitag, 10. Juli 2009=20 13:50
An:=20 lml@lancaironline.net
Betreff:=20 Re: [LML] Belly Landing L-360 Video

The cause of the accident was that the owner, = who I=20 know, replaced the screws in the nose gear door with stainless screws = which were=20 longer than the ones they replaced.  As a result the nose gear = retracted,=20 but would not extend. 

Tom McNerney ha scritto:=20 

Not to flood this =
place with youtube links, but this is something I think everyone should =
see.  Check out the related videos of the plane on the ground =
before/after the nose gear =
failure.
 
http://www.youtube.=
com/watch?v=3DkEWWQsWThxs
 
Tom
 
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