X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 16:05:06 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imr-ma04.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.42] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.14) with ESMTP id 3746502 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 11:52:17 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.206.42; envelope-from=PTACKABURY@aol.com Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n66FpUJt016606 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 11:51:30 -0400 Received: from PTACKABURY@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id q.cc8.50509e53 (33856) for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 11:51:21 -0400 (EDT) From: PTACKABURY@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 11:51:19 EDT Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Now for something completely different X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1246895479" X-Mailer: AOL 9.1 sub 5006 X-Spam-Flag:NO -------------------------------1246895479 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lmlers: Three things--first my new mount from Lancair did not have any new gussets, or any visible changes from the broken original. Second: I appreciate all the suggestions regards strut maintenance. I guess strut health is a bigger, more time consuming deal than I previously appreciated, so I have learned something with this exchange. I am still concerned about preventing any future episodes even with all the prescribed checking, and wonder if the new strut is better or just new and therefore has not yet reveled all its surprises. Third: I have done my best to get the word out so hope this helps the next guy. I wish to again remind all that this shimmy happened at touchdown (80 kias) before any braking so it was not like many I have experienced in other airplanes. And it did not result in mount cracks, but mount destruction. My computer skills are not up to Marv's standards, so my attempt to post pictures failed. If you are really interested, not just curious, send me an email and I will send two directly to you. paul, N94PT In a message dated 7/5/2009 7:29:20 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, dreagan@fuse.net writes: I had a couple of cracks in the engine mount that could only be detected by a trained eye. There was just a little wrinkle in the paint. There was never any shimmy or other symptoms. I happened to be in Redmond at the time and took it over to Lancair and their welder rewelded it and welded gussets in the "corners". It saved me from moving the engine. I was told that there is no way it is going to crack now. It is such a simple fix until I don't know why they are not made with the gussets from the start. Maybe they are now, because he already had the gussets made up. The point is, to look at the paint on the welds very closely. If there is the least wrinkle, investigate further. Dan Reagan IVP 650 hours and holding ----- Original Message ----- From: _Bill Kennedy_ (mailto:bill_kennedy_3@hotmail.com) To: _lml@lancaironline.net_ (mailto:lml@lancaironline.net) Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 8:36 AM Subject: RE: [LML] Now for something completely different Makes me wonder if it wasn't an engine mount problem instead of the nose strut. That's quite a nose wheel shimmy. We're all happy for you that it wasn't worse. > To: _lml@lancaironline.net_ (mailto:lml@lancaironline.net) > Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 22:40:50 -0400 > From: _ptackabury@aol.com_ (mailto:ptackabury@aol.com) > Subject: [LML] Now for something completely different > > How 'bout something re: LIV rather than personal etiquette, scripture, > other's misfortunes and the Hanoi Hilton. As the keenly aware out there > may remember, I have a LIV that was, up until 23 Jun a screaming joy > with no problems. And then while landing in Fort Morgan, CO to visit my > brother, I had a nose wheel shimmy that destroyed the motor mount > (broken in at least 4 places), strut, fork, trailing links and over > center gas spring, along with associated hardware and the bottom > cowling. The only good news was the strut didn't fold, although I still > do not know how it remained upright. Michelle and Kim at Lancair were > fabulous and had replacement hardware to me on Friday the 26th. My > brother and I have been rebuilding ever since. We have now replaced the > main parts and are rigging the engine to fit the cowling in hopes of a > flight back to CA (home/Chino) this weekend where the final redo will > take place. > Some observations: I think the strut was OK--it was about 6 years old > but looked fine. I now have the new strut Lancair is building so maybe > something was wrong with the old ECCO model. The engine mount just > disintegrated so maybe it had some cracks i missed during the Jan > annual--certainly that will be a major focus in all future cowl > removals. So learn what you will from this msg--question as you wish > and I will offer what I can. But be assured this incident had nothing > to do with my dual LSE ignition system... > paul, N94PT, reluctant rebuilder > > -- > For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html **************Summer concert season is here! Find your favorite artists on tour at TourTracker.com. -------------------------------1246895479 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Lmlers:  Three things--first my new mount from Lancair did= not have any new gussets, or any visible changes from the broken original.
Second:  I appreciate all the suggestions regards strut maintenance.  I guess strut health is a bigger, more time consuming= deal than I previously appreciated, so I have learned something with this exchange.  I am still concerned about preventing any future episodes= even with all the prescribed checking, and wonder if the new strut is better or= just new and therefore has not yet reveled all its surprises.
Third:  I have done my best to get the word out so hope this hel= ps the next guy.  I wish to again remind all that this shimmy happened at touchdown (80 kias) before any braking so it was not like many I have experienced in other airplanes.  And it did not result in mount crack= s, but mount destruction.  My computer skills are not up to Marv's standards= , so my attempt to post pictures failed.  If you are really interested, no= t just curious, send me an email and I will send two directly to you.
paul, N94PT
 
In a message dated 7/5/2009 7:29:20 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, dreagan@fuse.net writes:
I had a couple of cracks in the engine mount&nbs= p;that could only be detected by a trained eye.  There was just a little= wrinkle in the paint.  There was never any shimmy or other symptoms. = I happened to be in Redmond at the time and took it over to Lancair= and their welder rewelded it and welded gussets in the "corners". = It saved me from moving the engine.  I was told that there is no= way it is going to crack now.  It is such a simple fix until I don't know= why they are not made with the gussets from the start.  Maybe they are= now, because he already had the gussets made up.
 
The point is, to look at the paint on the welds= very closely.  If there is the least wrinkle, investigate further.
 
Dan Reagan
IVP 650 hours and holding
----- Original Message -----
= From: Bill Kennedy
Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009= 8:36 AM
Subject: RE: [LML] Now for some= thing completely different

Makes me wonder if it wasn't an engine mount problem in= stead of the nose strut. That's quite a nose wheel shimmy. We're all happy= for you that it wasn't worse.

> To: lml@lancaironline.net
>= ; Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 22:40:50 -0400
> From: ptackabury@aol.com
> Subj= ect: [LML] Now for something completely different
>
> How 'bou= t something re: LIV rather than personal etiquette, scripture,
>= other's misfortunes and the Hanoi Hilton. As the keenly aware out ther= e
> may remember, I have a LIV that was, up until 23 Jun a scream= ing joy
> with no problems. And then while landing in Fort Morgan,= CO to visit my
> brother, I had a nose wheel shimmy that destroyed th= e motor mount
> (broken in at least 4 places), strut, fork, trail= ing links and over
> center gas spring, along with associated hardw= are and the bottom
> cowling. The only good news was the strut didn= 't fold, although I still
> do not know how it remained upright.= Michelle and Kim at Lancair were
> fabulous and had replacement= hardware to me on Friday the 26th. My
> brother and I have been= rebuilding ever since. We have now replaced the
> main parts an= d are rigging the engine to fit the cowling in hopes of a
> flight ba= ck to CA (home/Chino) this weekend where the final redo will
> take= place.
> Some observations: I think the strut was OK--it was abo= ut 6 years old
> but looked fine. I now have the new strut Lancair= is building so maybe
> something was wrong with the old ECCO model= . The engine mount just
> disintegrated so maybe it had some cracks= i missed during the Jan
> annual--certainly that will be a major= focus in all future cowl
> removals. So learn what you will from this= msg--question as you wish
> and I will offer what I can. But be= assured this incident had nothing
> to do with my dual LSE igni= tion system...
> paul, N94PT, reluctant rebuilder
>
> --
> For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html
<= /FONT>

Summer concert season= is here! Find your favorite artists on tour at TourTracker.com. -------------------------------1246895479--