X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:28:38 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail-out2.fuse.net ([216.68.8.171] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.14) with ESMTP id 3745839 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 19:46:35 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.68.8.171; envelope-from=dreagan@fuse.net X-Original-Return-Path: X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=xBPpGeURAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=mSI1VOFVgzE0BiN864UA:9 a=mXUiE_fIolS6qckAvzUA:7 a=JHlwLyHCBzimldxVgmYa1YaZMGAA:4 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=-sanZLfe6a8cUJV1:21 a=7LTo8hhfGGBCwXAo:21 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=lTF7vUgRCg8Gq0r0_CEA:9 a=ENK6GessToqeb6_P1t0A:7 a=MZ_9EQcOYf9mGdIOn6hrWlPDqH0A:4 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=LUGdSHaYEaYA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: gwout2 smtp.mail=dreagan@fuse.net; spf=unknown Received-SPF: error (gwout2: 208.102.196.40 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net Received: from [208.102.196.40] ([208.102.196.40:50415] helo=D45LWMF1) by gwout2 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.37 r(28805/28810M)) with ESMTP id 83/C2-09581-83B315A4; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 19:46:00 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: <007c01c9fdca$bc9ac310$fdc8a8c0@D45LWMF1> From: "Dan Reagan" X-Original-To: , "terrence o'neill" References: Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Gear Up X-Original-Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 19:45:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0079_01C9FDA9.357ACB30" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0079_01C9FDA9.357ACB30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The part number is 10-01817. I wired a relay in to the nose gear switch = and speed switch. A relay activates a horn and light. It takes a little = thinking. If you have trouble with figuring out a wiring schematic that = works let me know and I can copy my scribble sheet and send it to you. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/aerelay.php Dan ----- Original Message -----=20 From: terrence o'neill=20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 7:12 PM Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Gear Up I'm interested, Dan. What's the part number? terrence o' L235/320 N211AL ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dan Reagan=20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 07:36 Subject: [LML] Re: Gear Up After having an "almost", I did not fly again until I put a gear = warning in the airplane. Distractions are hell (along with age I guess) = and don't think for a minute that Chelton gives a "check gear" under all = circumstances. For less than $100 and a lot of thinking I now have a = speed switch in the pitot system which turns on a light and horn any = time I am below 113 knots and the gear is up. This speed is adjustable. = Aircraft Spruce has the relay board and speed switch. It works quite = well. If anyone is interested I can get the part number. I am sure = there are other ways to accomplish the same thing but this has worked = well for the last 200 or so hours. =20 Dan Reagan IVP 650 hours and installing a new engine- hope to fly in 3 weeks ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dan Ballin=20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 7:09 PM Subject: Gear Up It seems like we have exhausted this gear up incident, except that = the object and purpose of the LML should be education and, as some have = pointed out, to learn from our mistakes. So I guess the question is = what did we learn? Hard to know without all of the facts Most of us = deal with it with checklists and technology, but these are not = infallible, and it seems like the gear up issue never goes away. So I come back to does anyone have ideas on how to keep this from = happening? Does anyone have a better mousetrap. Thoughts on how to = set up gear warning systems - both Chelton and MVP seem to do this well, = how to never forget to use the checklist even when distracted - this is = a hard one for me. Dan Ballin Leg2 #286 ------=_NextPart_000_0079_01C9FDA9.357ACB30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The part number is 10-01817.  I = wired a relay=20 in to the nose gear switch and speed switch. A relay activates a = horn and=20 light.  It takes a little thinking.  If you have trouble with = figuring=20 out a wiring schematic that works let me know and I can copy my scribble = sheet=20 and send it to you.
 
http:/= /www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/aerelay.php
 
Dan
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 terrence=20 o'neill
Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 = 7:12=20 PM
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Gear = Up

I'm interested, = Dan. What's=20 the part number?
terrence = o'
L235/320 = N211AL
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dan = Reagan=20
Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 = 07:36
Subject: [LML] Re: Gear = Up

After having an "almost", I did not = fly again=20 until I put a gear warning in the airplane.  Distractions are = hell=20 (along with age I guess) and don't think for a minute that Chelton = gives a=20 "check gear" under all circumstances.  For less than $100 and a = lot of=20 thinking I now have a speed switch in the pitot system which turns = on a=20 light and horn any time I am below 113 knots and the gear is = up.  This=20 speed is adjustable.  Aircraft Spruce has the relay board and = speed=20 switch.  It works quite well. If anyone is interested I can get = the=20 part number.  I am sure there are other ways to accomplish the = same=20 thing but this has worked well for the last 200 or so hours. =20
 
Dan Reagan
IVP 650 hours and installing a new = engine- hope=20 to fly in 3 weeks
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Dan = Ballin=20
Sent: Thursday, July 02, = 2009 7:09=20 PM
Subject: Gear Up

It seems like we have exhausted this gear up = incident,=20 except that the object and purpose of the LML should be education = and, as=20 some have pointed out, to learn from our mistakes.  So I = guess the=20 question is what did we learn?  Hard to know without all of = the=20 facts   Most of us deal with it with checklists and = technology,=20 but these are not infallible, and it seems like the gear up issue = never=20 goes away.

So I come back to does anyone have ideas on how = to keep=20 this from happening?  Does anyone have a better mousetrap. =  =20 Thoughts on how to set up gear warning systems - both Chelton and = MVP seem=20 to do this well, how to never forget to use the checklist even = when=20 distracted - this is a hard one for me.

Dan Ballin
Leg2=20 #286
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