X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:28:37 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: <2thman@cablespeed.com> Received: from mxo6.broadbandsupport.net ([209.55.3.86] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.14) with ESMTP id 3745989 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:19:08 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.55.3.86; envelope-from=2thman@cablespeed.com X-Original-Return-Path: <2thman@cablespeed.com> Received: from [24.143.68.5] ([24.143.68.5:64929] helo=Home) by mxo6.broadbandsupport.net (envelope-from <2thman@cablespeed.com>) (ecelerity 2.2.1.21 r(19176)) with ESMTP id B0/F2-07386-3D0515A4; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:18:12 -0400 From: "John Barrett" <2thman@cablespeed.com> X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: Gear Up X-Original-Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 18:20:11 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: <003501c9fdd7$e904ed60$bb0ec820$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acn7xU8KANAfboQlS3GDUrvncyjRiwCD1CjA Content-Language: en-us Dan Ballin writes: ****** So I come back to does anyone have ideas on how to keep this from happening? Does anyone have a better mousetrap. Thoughts on how to set up gear warning systems - both Chelton and MVP seem to do this well, how to never forget to use the checklist even when distracted - this is a hard one for me. ****** There is another system available that you may not have heard of. I have it in my not flying as of yet IVP. It is called VP-200, the VP standing for Vertical Power; www.Verticalpower.com Its computer automatically and/or manually cycles into different flight modes depending on pilot selection or on conditions such as power settings to select a particular flight mode. Landing mode provides warnings both visual and audio if the gear is not down in this particular mode. Bottom line is that you have to know your system and keep your awareness up. Cockpit resource management breakdown is probably the single most common cause of this embarrassing snafu. Attention gets distracted and the gear position is forgotten. Gear warning horns have been with us since I started flying in the 60's and still one of the most common pilot error incidents during my time in the Navy was gear up landings. The problem has been with us since they invented retractable gear and it probably will continue. Is it a good idea to have a Chelton AND a VP AND something else to remind us to put the stupid gear down before reuniting with terra firma? I don't know. I may disable the audio on the VP or the Chelton if it ends up driving me crazy. Even with these reminders we will probably still see folks ignoring the signals. VTAIL JEFF reminded me about a year ago on this forum that simple old fashioned checklists if used will keep you out of most trouble. Regards, John Barrett Leading Edge Composites www.carbinge.com