X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 08:36:19 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail-out1.fuse.net ([216.68.8.175] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.14) with ESMTP id 3744463 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 22:25:59 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.68.8.175; envelope-from=dreagan@fuse.net X-Original-Return-Path: X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=n20IQbzmpA_zrugByyYA:9 a=4q-k9DPVvy29WFjWoI4A:7 a=EnCyHRBsUS59vQqbovFXJkBwVNsA:4 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=qlXY6Y1wGG5TtEUQ:21 a=Bs0blWsKuyY5KYjo:21 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=wxJAQHAkh7LPJEU41eEA:9 a=-6Bczy2NYgbuC6os8B0A:7 a=zz7R4X6PIBlE6VVyQAtMiF3oBaAA:4 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: gwout1 smtp.mail=dreagan@fuse.net; spf=unknown Received-SPF: error (gwout1: 208.102.196.40 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net Received: from [208.102.196.40] ([208.102.196.40:50596] helo=D45LWMF1) by gwout1 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.37 r(28805/28810M)) with ESMTP id 22/47-24823-49DBE4A4; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 22:25:24 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: <004a01c9fc4e$ad8f0610$fdc8a8c0@D45LWMF1> From: "Dan Reagan" X-Original-To: , "Dan Ballin" References: Subject: Re: Gear Up X-Original-Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 22:25:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0047_01C9FC2D.26501480" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C9FC2D.26501480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable After having an "almost", I did not fly again until I put a gear warning = in the airplane. Distractions are hell (along with age I guess) and = don't think for a minute that Chelton gives a "check gear" under all = circumstances. For less than $100 and a lot of thinking I now have a = speed switch in the pitot system which turns on a light and horn any = time I am below 113 knots and the gear is up. This speed is adjustable. = Aircraft Spruce has the relay board and speed switch. It works quite = well. If anyone is interested I can get the part number. I am sure = there are other ways to accomplish the same thing but this has worked = well for the last 200 or so hours. =20 Dan Reagan IVP 650 hours and installing a new engine- hope to fly in 3 weeks ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dan Ballin=20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 7:09 PM Subject: Gear Up It seems like we have exhausted this gear up incident, except that the = object and purpose of the LML should be education and, as some have = pointed out, to learn from our mistakes. So I guess the question is = what did we learn? Hard to know without all of the facts Most of us = deal with it with checklists and technology, but these are not = infallible, and it seems like the gear up issue never goes away. So I come back to does anyone have ideas on how to keep this from = happening? Does anyone have a better mousetrap. Thoughts on how to = set up gear warning systems - both Chelton and MVP seem to do this well, = how to never forget to use the checklist even when distracted - this is = a hard one for me. Dan Ballin Leg2 #286 ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C9FC2D.26501480 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
After having an "almost", I did not fly = again until=20 I put a gear warning in the airplane.  Distractions are hell (along = with=20 age I guess) and don't think for a minute that Chelton gives a "check = gear"=20 under all circumstances.  For less than $100 and a lot of thinking = I now=20 have a speed switch in the pitot system which turns on a light and horn = any time=20 I am below 113 knots and the gear is up.  This speed is = adjustable. =20 Aircraft Spruce has the relay board and speed switch.  It works = quite well.=20 If anyone is interested I can get the part number.  I am sure there = are=20 other ways to accomplish the same thing but this has worked well for the = last=20 200 or so hours. 
 
Dan Reagan
IVP 650 hours and installing a new = engine- hope to=20 fly in 3 weeks
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From:=20 Dan = Ballin=20
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 = 7:09=20 PM
Subject: Gear Up

It seems like we have exhausted this gear up incident, = except=20 that the object and purpose of the LML should be education and, as = some have=20 pointed out, to learn from our mistakes.  So I guess the question = is what=20 did we learn?  Hard to know without all of the facts   = Most of=20 us deal with it with checklists and technology, but these are not = infallible,=20 and it seems like the gear up issue never goes away.

So I come = back to=20 does anyone have ideas on how to keep this from happening?  Does = anyone=20 have a better mousetrap.   Thoughts on how to set up gear warning = systems=20 - both Chelton and MVP seem to do this well, how to never forget to = use the=20 checklist even when distracted - this is a hard one for me.

Dan = Ballin
Leg2 #286
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