X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:40:50 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.69] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.14) with ESMTP id 3743244 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:17:45 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.69; envelope-from=douglasbrunner@earthlink.net DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Z876/QL1ZkygRRAgoYK3F/nO+t4zmwgLuuFh2P5HW6zRdLsXmzw8F96xskm+JV7d; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [74.93.196.177] (helo=DougsLaptop) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MMVWe-0007Qr-Ky for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:17:08 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: From: "Douglas Brunner" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [LML] Gear Up X-Original-Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 19:15:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_030B_01C9FB49.85FE9C10" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-ELNK-Trace: ad85a799c4f5de37c2eb1477c196d22294f5150ab1c16ac00c3604e638927e7467d3c9f77a5ea3c6f943b64959b252ad350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 74.93.196.177 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_030B_01C9FB49.85FE9C10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Chelton has a nice feature that gives you a warning 500 feet above = the runway. However, it is certainly possible to become distracted and = miss it. The nice thing about the Legacy is that it is pretty hard to slow down = without the gear. =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dan Ballin=20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 7:09 PM Subject: [LML] Gear Up It seems like we have exhausted this gear up incident, except that the = object and purpose of the LML should be education and, as some have = pointed out, to learn from our mistakes. So I guess the question is = what did we learn? Hard to know without all of the facts Most of us = deal with it with checklists and technology, but these are not = infallible, and it seems like the gear up issue never goes away. So I come back to does anyone have ideas on how to keep this from = happening? Does anyone have a better mousetrap. Thoughts on how to = set up gear warning systems - both Chelton and MVP seem to do this well, = how to never forget to use the checklist even when distracted - this is = a hard one for me. Dan Ballin Leg2 #286 ------=_NextPart_000_030B_01C9FB49.85FE9C10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The Chelton has a nice feature that = gives you a=20 warning 500 feet above the runway.  However, it is certainly = possible to=20 become distracted and miss it.
 
The nice thing about the Legacy is that = it is=20 pretty hard to slow down without the gear. 
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From:=20 Dan = Ballin=20
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 = 7:09=20 PM
Subject: [LML] Gear Up

It seems like we have exhausted this gear up incident, = except=20 that the object and purpose of the LML should be education and, as = some have=20 pointed out, to learn from our mistakes.  So I guess the question = is what=20 did we learn?  Hard to know without all of the facts   = Most of=20 us deal with it with checklists and technology, but these are not = infallible,=20 and it seems like the gear up issue never goes away.

So I come = back to=20 does anyone have ideas on how to keep this from happening?  Does = anyone=20 have a better mousetrap.   Thoughts on how to set up gear warning = systems=20 - both Chelton and MVP seem to do this well, how to never forget to = use the=20 checklist even when distracted - this is a hard one for me.

Dan = Ballin
Leg2 #286
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