X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:35:35 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from web62504.mail.re1.yahoo.com ([69.147.75.96] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.14) with SMTP id 3742534 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 09:42:40 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=69.147.75.96; envelope-from=charliekohler@yahoo.com Received: (qmail 84691 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jul 2009 13:42:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=4hRcBK5Kj8r4v3jZ3FlaXuR28h/cUnvpCfmmREUWoSBl6DtnVoWfKTYWb6AbxfbBcEU11dOuQzzYV57E2mRElMAmoE8ck3S39Jj73XvKLC8JoEkxRMKD4cd1qD+0/SAsLg1iXUx6CdHaJu6nfsyoj3Sp8lNr9J3sf4NqYsg8Gjs=; X-Original-Message-ID: <156370.84507.qm@web62504.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: tjKsyZMVM1n.7fQhjIIPJGdwKwxQynwytEU9xKz9SgAflZjEKaPVjq4fz0OgNWYA.NM8KhNVAQ86rOVuxFAjDapki5cetXe7b1xGWfcw6PGpWZyfLA5Gy5QJTOsgXy2tetSn95DHO2WcPtTxiQBndqPLIW2EcK0GMjsDFapAASV7Oqdx7ufSq.k9yHxJfTxBli188qJzJzzDmCIkeMdkScTt7lIjqv0TaCLARI_qcuAmOJBXjyYXGPd5m5cAkbnWh3tkNC1CkFtd4uugP2Z09bY8aLPjCNS3JY9XhEkhBinuXxLTjwrF4GXdBtDZcA68VgqU4aP0BYuybViqHWn9yeRRB0vFLIfehBlg_JxQavVnwYiQ Received: from [97.104.160.94] by web62504.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 06:42:04 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1357.22 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 References: X-Original-Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:42:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Charlie Kohler Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Diplomacy and Tact X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-347653954-1246542124=:84507" --0-347653954-1246542124=:84507 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes it's true-- I discovered a IVP built=A0 without removing ANY of the pee= lply. I discovered it during a invited inspection visit. The airplane was b= uilt (for the owner) =A0by a Apartment building=A0superintendent=A0 from Me= xico who could not=A0read or write. He had had several EAA chapter members = come- help--. They instigated a call from the FBO where final assembly pain= t and upholstery was taking place to come look at it. As there were NO pict= ures in the manual that demonstrated the process of how to remove the peelp= ly-- he sanded the shiny off the peelply and glued to it. That bonded the s= hearwebs enough to support the weight of the wings on the ground.=0A=0A=0AL= ancair offered him a replacement kit at rock bottom cost-- he took them up = on it-- but his wife passed and he gave the project up and never consumated= the deal. =0A=0A=A0=A0=A0The fuselage ended up in a display module for Dr = Green to demonstrate the ArchAngel MFD display at Airshows. Namely OSH.=0A= =A0=0ACharlie K.=0AP.S. How would you break the news to the owner? I laid i= t out for him and he responded calmly.=0A=0AHe did not faint/ fly into a ra= ge/ or make any reactions other than-- what do we do now??=A0=0A=0A=0A=0ASe= e me on the web at =0Awww.Lancair-IV.com=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_________________= _______________=0AFrom: "vtailjeff@aol.com" =0ATo: lml@l= ancaironline.net=0ASent: Wednesday, July 1, 2009 6:09:17 PM=0ASubject: [LML= ] Re: Diplomacy and Tact=0A=0Aask Charlie Kohler----=0A=0AWe've all heard t= he story of a Lancair or Glasair being assembled without the peel-ply being= removed.=A0 Does anyone know first-hand=A0if this story is really true?=0A= >=0A>=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: rwolf99@aol.com=0ATo: lml@= lancaironline.net=0ASent: Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:11 pm=0ASubject: [LML] Re: Di= plomacy and Tact=0A=0A=0ASo far the best suggestion that I have heard is to= contact the local EAA Tech Counselor if the builder will not listen to you= .=A0 That was a good idea and I should have done that.=0A=0AI suppose that,= as a last resort, one might also try contacting the kit manufacturer.=A0 T= hey certainly have a vested interest in their airplanes not crashing.=A0 An= y thoughts on this one?=0A=0A- Rob Wolf=0A=0Ap.s.=A0 We've all heard the st= ory of a Lancair or Glasair being assembled without the peel-ply being remo= ved.=A0 Does anyone know first-hand=A0if this story is really true?=0A=0A= =0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFinding the best videos just go= t easier. Try the NEW Truveo.com. =0A=0A=0A________________________________= =0ADell Laptops: Huge Savings on Popular Laptops - Deals starting at $399 --0-347653954-1246542124=:84507 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Yes it's true-- I discovered a IVP built  with= out removing ANY of the peelply. I discovered it during a invited inspectio= n visit. The airplane was built (for the owner)  by a Apartment buildi= ng superintendent  from Mexico who could not read or write. = He had had several EAA chapter members come- help--. They instigated a call= from the FBO where final assembly paint and upholstery was taking place to= come look at it. As there were NO pictures in the manual that demonstrated= the process of how to remove the peelply-- he sanded the shiny off the pee= lply and glued to it. That bonded the shearwebs enough to support the weigh= t of the wings on the ground.
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Lancair offered him a replacement kit at rock bottom cost-- he took= them up on it-- but his wife passed and he gave the project up and never c= onsumated the deal.
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   The= fuselage ended up in a display module for Dr Green to demonstrate the Arch= Angel MFD display at Airshows. Namely OSH.
 
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P.S. How would you break the news to the owner? I laid it ou= t for him and he responded calmly.
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He did = not faint/ fly into a rage/ or make any reactions other than-- what do we d= o now?? 
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ask Charlie Kohler----
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We've all heard the story of a= Lancair or Glasair being assembled without the peel-ply being removed.&nbs= p; Does anyone know first-hand if this story is really true?




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Sent: Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:11 pm
Subject:= [LML] Re: Diplomacy and Tact

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So far the best suggestion that I have heard is to= contact the local EAA Tech Counselor if the builder will not listen to you= .  That was a good idea and I should have done that.

I suppose = that, as a last resort, one might also try contacting the kit manufacturer.=   They certainly have a vested interest in their airplanes not crashin= g.  Any thoughts on this one?

- Rob Wolf

p.s.  We'v= e all heard the story of a Lancair or Glasair being assembled without the p= eel-ply being removed.  Does anyone know first-hand if this story= is really true?

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